wow that kinda sux. Hopefully we get extremely lucky though

 

To be honest....if i could get the mpg they are claiming with the hp they are claiming.....I would be content with that level until something well thought out could be brought to the table by the likes of Elite, Innovative, Spartan etc. Even the stock specs are fairly impressive if you had the benefit of reliability.

 

It will get hacked within 6 months of being out.

But i'm not to worried about it it will be 10 year b4 i can afford one LOL

 

i second that!!!

 

:whs: my 04' and 93' will both have to kick the bucket b4 ill bite into one of them and have payments large enuff to pay my mortgage with! lol but id love to have one!

 

I hope so, but this was coming from the guy that hacks all the good stuff for all the hackers lol

Travis

 

I give it till the middle of summer and one if these will be in the 11s!
They said the same about the 6.4s... I'm not sweating it one bit. They just want it to seem more magical when it happens imo

 

:whs:

 

Do you think there is only 1 man that can do this stuff?

 

I think Ford put some real thoughts into this and it will be a hell of a job to get around it, but it will be worth it.
just my o2
PS. i know of a guy in germany when they put the locks on the gasser and all the other high end cars, it has taken them a couple of months to figure it out, but then it was just like heaven. They worked finaly together with the companys to get the best results.

 

To be honest I don't know why Ford don't work with the aftermarket companies. I think it would be better for them. That way people arent blowing stuff up with the 1st couple tries and also they are getting out of Warranty work and it looks good for Ford to see a high HP motor.

 

That's a good point above me.
Ford already has friended, what have now become household names, Shelby, Roush, and Saleen.
Why don't we add a few diesel shops to that mix? Innovative, Elite, and who ever else might want in. You reading this Ford execs?

 

:whs:

 

A production Innovative Powerstroke kinda like a Roush Mustang? LOL Sounds pretty awesome.

 

That's what I'm talking about! serial numbers and all! that'd be so awesome... buying tuned diesels right off the lot

 

matt at spartan has that "back door"

The old saying," first on race day, sells on monday" , should be takin more to heart by ford. Look at how many junk dodges are on the road because of how fast/powerful the cummins engine is.

 

It isn't a matter of IF it will be done,
Just a matter of WHEN it will be done.....

 

ok, let me back up, the guy i was talking to is the goto guy in the industry for all the tuners, and tuner manufactures, that is just what he told me, and he has no reason to bs me.

Ford doesnt want people in the diesel engines like roush and saleen, because overall the diesel industry is not very responible for thier mistakes, we are known for blowing stuff up, and then wating FORD to fix our mistakes under warranty, (maybe it is just because of the longer warranties on the diesel engine 100k versus 36k)

just my .02 not trying to make a pissing match,

If matt at spartan has a way in the back door, i am impressed, beings as his back door guy was an IH man

Travis

 

Reveal the source and lets see if this argument holds up.

 

i think if Ford allows anybody to tune their trucks, like Roush or Shelby, they first have to come up with big money to buy the rights off from Ford.
The next step is then to proof to Ford that their product is reliable and wont have a negative impact on Ford's market and product position, like emission and safety.
Then you have to show them that there is actually a market for that, we are not talking about a 50k mustang here, it's a more to 75or100k 3.5 tonne heavy hauler.
I don't want to burst the bubble but i don't see a big power Ford race truck from Ford like the Shelby's or Roush in the near future.
Sorry and i think i got a little depressed now.....

 

Lot of good points here. But I don't think the price would jump into some triple digit figure- that'd be insane.
All that you're explaining points to a Banks Ford long before we'd see any of our home grown (more capable) tuners touching them. In the same breath though, I think that if the right people were contacted and spoken to, this could become something. The diesel powered market is one of the fastest growing at the moment, why wouldn't Ford want in on that?
Just some food for thought- 3 or 4 years ago when the showed off the Baja ready concept known as the "raptor" 150, who would've thought it would make it to production unchanged? Right now, my friend owns one right down the street from me! Awesome move on Fords part!
I think if there's a company who would want to make diesel options include some power upgrades, it would be tried and true Ford!

 

I'm with you, it is nice to think it can be done.
The only issue i have right now with that is the freaking guy's from Cali. with their emission crap, or do you see a 6.7 with DPF and lasting EGR in high power numbers?
The point is that with the highly sophisticated engineering done to the 6.7 it will take big bucks to bring something to the table and still be legal.
Then there is the pricetag right there, you know for how much more the Shelbys and Roush sale and that's on gasser's.
So i think to get a Ford block with ARP studs and at least a machined head will take another 2k out of your pocket and so on and on.
and again i'm depressed now LOL this is getting to be a habit, depression's need to be fixed with putting goodys on the truck, shopping cart here i come.
LOL LOL

 

The only issue i have right now with that is the freaking guy's from Cali. with their emission crap, or do you see a 6.7 with DPF and lasting EGR in high power numbers?

Easy. Don't sell them in Cali.

 

I dont think its going to be an issue, i bet about as soon as you get a truck you can get a tune

 

I don't' see an issue either....there will be BOXES or TUNERS or just MODS in general i am sure

 

I think it was Spartan that is already advertising that they have something for the 6.7...

 

haha dont yall know i dont give up my sources,

lets just say all the elite tuning people in the country wish to be this guys friend lol,

Travis

 

haha dont yall know i dont give up my sources,

lets just say all the elite tuning people in the country wish to be this guys friend lol,

Travis

Like Facebook friends? oke: The truely elite tuning people in the county don't give a #### about it.

 

being in the network security field, I can guarantee you that it wont take long at all to "crack the encryption algorithm"...I highly doubt Ford is gonna shell out millions of dollars to develop some high-end security for a vehicles ecm...if they did then they wouldn't be in the vehicle-makin business if ya get what i'm saying...

It would be alot easier if some of these script-kiddy hackers were diesel enthusiasts!!

If nothin else, just wire up a previously hacked ecu to the 6.7 and build a complete custom program to make it run?

 

Actually, if you look at the warranty expenses FoMoCo has paid out on diesels, it makes very good business sense to lock the ECM.

 

If they can't make a program than in comes the stand alone controlers. Either way no matter what a company builds somehow someone will always be able to make some kinda tuning for them.

 

And that will take 7-8 years like it did for the CR dodges??

 

I'm just saying that no matter what something will come out. The manuf. can say what ever they want. These trucks will always be modded and played with.

And if it did go to a stand alone hopefuly the Ford gurues are a lot faster about it than the dodge programers.
Its not the best answer.

 

Bottom line is Ford has to make an ECM that can accept updates that Ford needs to be able to upload period. With that being the case, it means that it is hackable.

 

More than that it also means as it has to with any of these vehicles that every single Ford dealership that does work on these will have the software/hardware right there to up and download to it. That's how many keys out there basically unsecure? With the money that stands to be made you really think one of those will not walk out the back door? In fact it would not even have to get taken just a bit of time with one after-hours and you will have the software off loaded and then reproduced and picked part. Why crack it when you can be given the key. As far as cracking security encryption it rarely takes hackers more than a few hours to find a backdoor, loop hole, piggy back, ........... to get in when things are put out there to be tested as part of the development stage and frankly I am not sure how much of that Ford is going to. Very rarely do they go about by slamming into the steel security door and reverse engineer when its compeltely unnecessary. A way round it is found and exploited. The first rule of IT security is you must protect the physical. If a hacker can get to it physically its all over. In this case with these systems its sitting out there in every single vehicle. Game over.

 

Spot on, absolutely true!

 

If man made it. Man can unmake it just going to take MONEY and time.