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I recently replaced the OEM stereo in my 05’ F250. I figured I would go ahead and replace the factory speakers while I was at it. After I got the stereo all hooked up and working, I wanted to see how much better the new speakers sounded (I hadn’t installed them yet).


So I swapped out one rear speaker for a new Pioneer 6x8 speaker. I fired up the stereo and put all of the sound to the factory left rear speaker, and then put all of the sound to the new Pioneer speaker in the right rear. WOW……the factory speaker sounded much louder, and as far a sound quality goes…I think it actually sounded better then the new Pioneer speaker.


At this point, I’m just thinking about returning all of the new speakers I got, and leaving the factory ones in there.


Anyone else had an experience like that when going to aftermarket speakers?
 

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the OEm speakers were OK IMO they were def better than my GMC of the same era with the none Bose system

i have no idea what deck you ran or if you have an amp but I will say i had my pioneer BT 3300 running the internal amp and stock speakers with just an add on tweeter and amplified sub , it sounded pretty good IMO

i had to go the a full Networked Pioneer w4400NEX ( each of the 6 channels has it's own amplified output / u use multi amps ) system to get some really good sounds out of my truck

that being said maybe the range of the speakers you bought is out of the range of the OEM and your typical listening needs
 

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And that's why I run boston speakers to bad they stopped doing car audio. I am looking at buying some extras for the future and a couple of the refoam kits I used to rebuild the set I have in my truck. I am very picky on my audio system so I don't run pioneer stuff. It may just be the models you got most make low end products nid range products and top shelf products.

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Here is a video showing the sound/volume of the OEM speaker (rear passenger side) vs. the Pioneer TS-G680 (rear drivers side). Even with the crummy microphone on my phone, you can tell a big difference in sound when I switch between both rear speakers. The Pioneer speakers just sounds "Flat"...and the OEM speaker sounds much more "full". Yes, it's really weird....I've never upgraded speakers before and had them sound WORSE than the oem speakers.

Even after playing around with the setting in the new head unit, and even at high volumes, the oem speaker just sounds better. The new speaker is mounted the exact same way as the oem one I removed.

What do you think? Both speakers are 4ohms, the factory speaker is rated at 25w, the Pioneer is rated at 40w. Same size, sound mounting, same wiring, etc, etc.....

 

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man that is bad I would return them and get something else.
 

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I'm going to do some swapping around tomorrow. I bought 4 of those Pioneer 6x8 speakers...2 for the front, 2 for the back. I might put another in the same spot and see if it sounds any better. Maybe I just got a bad speaker?

If it still sounds bad, I'm going to return all 4 of them, and try a different brand/model of speaker.
 

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Car audio is a horrible game to get into. That stuff will eat money almost as fast as fixing a broken 6.0! lol

The reason it sounds like crap is fairly simple. Ford spent a buttload of money on testing and diagnostics to get a decent sound out of that factor unit. However, once they got it, they just slapped that setting into all of their head units, so the price per vehicle was negligible. You now have an aftermarket stereo with nothing set. No matter what, it would sound worse than factory. Read up on setting speaker timing and download a good reference disc such as "Sheffield/A2TB test disc", or the "Ultimate Demonstration Disc" from the Chesky Guide to Critical Listening. Armed with those, you'll be able to get better than stock sound fairly easily.

Now, to REALLY get good sound will take a lot more work. You need to understand that those factory speakers were designed for the truck. They don't require damping material behind them, or special materials in your door, to sound good. That high quality aftermarket speaker can definitely sound way better than the stock ever could, but it will take LOTS of work.

As for how the "better" speaker isn't as loud....well, there are a lot of reasons that could be true. Might be due to impedance, driver suspension stiffness, weight of the cone, and so on.
 

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Car audio is a horrible game to get into. That stuff will eat money almost as fast as fixing a broken 6.0! lol

The reason it sounds like crap is fairly simple. Ford spent a buttload of money on testing and diagnostics to get a decent sound out of that factor unit. However, once they got it, they just slapped that setting into all of their head units, so the price per vehicle was negligible. You now have an aftermarket stereo with nothing set. No matter what, it would sound worse than factory. Read up on setting speaker timing and download a good reference disc such as "Sheffield/A2TB test disc", or the "Ultimate Demonstration Disc" from the Chesky Guide to Critical Listening. Armed with those, you'll be able to get better than stock sound fairly easily.

Now, to REALLY get good sound will take a lot more work. You need to understand that those factory speakers were designed for the truck. They don't require damping material behind them, or special materials in your door, to sound good. That high quality aftermarket speaker can definitely sound way better than the stock ever could, but it will take LOTS of work.

As for how the "better" speaker isn't as loud....well, there are a lot of reasons that could be true. Might be due to impedance, driver suspension stiffness, weight of the cone, and so on.
Yes, I agree that there are lots of settings I can play around with. That new Kenwood head unit I installed has an 8-band EQ, and then 5 or 6 other sounds settings you can tinker with. The thing that's driving me crazy.....is that no matter what settings I play with, how I set it up, how I adjust the cross-over settings, spacial affects, etc, etc, etc.....the Ford oem speak just sounds louder, and better than the Pioneer.

I'm going to try another one tonight....maybe I just got a bad Pioneer speaker. There is no way a 14 year old OEM ford speaker should sound that much better than a brand new Pioneer speaker......no way. I've installed stereo setups in probably 6-7 vehicles in my life.....and it was night and day better over OEM. I'm not disagreeing that with some more work, you can get them sounding even better.....but even with something basic like a new head unit, and new speakers.....they sounds better than OEM.

If I do end up returning those Pioneer speakers....are there any Aftermarket speakers out there that people have had good luck with in their trucks? It's not like Pioneer is a cheap Walmart off brand.....
 

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Yes, I agree that there are lots of settings I can play around with. That new Kenwood head unit I installed has an 8-band EQ, and then 5 or 6 other sounds settings you can tinker with. The thing that's driving me crazy.....is that no matter what settings I play with, how I set it up, how I adjust the cross-over settings, spacial affects, etc, etc, etc.....the Ford oem speak just sounds louder, and better than the Pioneer.

I'm going to try another one tonight....maybe I just got a bad Pioneer speaker. There is no way a 14 year old OEM ford speaker should sound that much better than a brand new Pioneer speaker......no way. I've installed stereo setups in probably 6-7 vehicles in my life.....and it was night and day better over OEM. I'm not disagreeing that with some more work, you can get them sounding even better.....but even with something basic like a new head unit, and new speakers.....they sounds better than OEM.

If I do end up returning those Pioneer speakers....are there any Aftermarket speakers out there that people have had good luck with in their trucks? It's not like Pioneer is a cheap Walmart off brand.....
what speaker models are they?
 

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Pioneer TS-G680

The OEM speakers are XW7F-18808-AB
 

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Well, I went ahead and put another brand new Pioneer speaker in there........still sounds like crap.

Changed the polarity around....still sounds like crap.

Put the OEM speaker back in....sounds 10 times better.

At this point I'm going to return all 4 of the Pioneer speakers I bought, and keep the OEM ones. Maybe if one of the OEM ones die, I will roll the dice on another aftermarket set to try.
 

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****UPDATE****

Well, I finally got a chance to try out the new Infinity speakers this weekend. Wow...so much better than the Pioneers I tried. The volume level was the same as stock (not quieter), and the sound was so much better.....much more clarity and definition. They were a little pricey, but they made all the difference in the world!
 

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good speakers tend to cost. I am very picky on mine but I love good sound. Glad they are you working for ya.

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