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The following is my ultimate plan:

1) Wear out my expensive 37" tires.
2) Have my 20" Weld wheels painted flat black and some new 35" tires mounted.
3) swap my 4.30 gears w/ someone that has some 3.73s
4) pull my 4.5" blocks out of the rear springs and drop the truck down to what amounts to stock ride height or slightly higher than stock
5) Score a coil over Dana 60 front axle that turns and rides better and sell what is left of my lift.

So here is my question for the experts: Is the coil over Dana 60 a bolt on deal?

Also, I understand that the 2008 F450s have a wide kingpin inset front axle that allows them to turn on a dime. If possible, that would be the axle I would want. Does anyone know how to specifically recognize this axle over others or where to find one.

Thanks!
 

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I want your gears!!!! I'll give you my 3.73 in a half a second. Just do a few burnouts and call the tires dead :poke: :D
 

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I'm pretty serious about this plan so we need to stay in touch as long as your local to TX.

I'll give you the 4.30 gears, as long as you come to Austin so we can spend the day swapping them out.

I HAVE to collect the other parts first however, especially the axle.
 

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So let me get this straight, you want to swap in a newer coilover suspension and front axle into your truck right? I'm gonna keep watching this, I would LOVE to do this swap.
 

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I'm pretty serious about this plan so we need to stay in touch as long as your local to TX.

I'll give you the 4.30 gears, as long as you come to Austin so we can spend the day swapping them out.

I HAVE to collect the other parts first however, especially the axle.
Unfortuanetly, I'm not local to TX right now, Im over in California, but I am going to be going to TX A&M for school next fall and could possibly be down there with the truck as soon as early June to see family (they are outside dallas but the drive isn't bad), but I'm sure by then you will have swapped them out already. If not though, I am very intereseted in a trade. If you wanted, we could just ship them to each other, but that would = down time on both sides. How much longer are your tires gunna last?

-Scott
 

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A & M is only like 90 miles from here. I use to break my freakin' collarbone at TWS roadracing my motorcycles like 3 x a year in that god forsaken town.

I suspect it will take me months to gather up the parts to do this swap cause I want the 2008+ F450 axle and that will be rare. And my tires have lots of tread on them as well.

But I'm very serious about doing the swap.
 

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05+ 450/550s have the "Super 60" with the increased width that gives you the awesome turning ability. They are just all over larger, larger width, larger knuckles, 10lug, etc...

Our 06 F-450 turns unbelievably tight.


And yes, you can swap in the 05-07 suspension fairly easily. Quite a few people have done this. You just need all the stock suspension and steering, unless you plan on a 4-link or something in which case you won't need all the stock stuff.
 

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05+ 450/550s have the "Super 60" with the increased width that gives you the awesome turning ability. They are just all over larger, larger width, larger knuckles, 10lug, etc...

Our 06 F-450 turns unbelievably tight.


And yes, you can swap in the 05-07 suspension fairly easily. Quite a few people have done this. You just need all the stock suspension and steering, unless you plan on a 4-link or something in which case you won't need all the stock stuff.
DC, that was really helpful but I have some more questiosn for ya.

You mentioned that the Super 60s come w/ a 10 lug. Is the 10 lug just an easily removable adaptor like the older versions? I want to reuse my existing 8 lug wheels.

Also, how much wider is this axle? Will it hang out way past my rear axle or what?
 

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I will have to check on the spacer/adapter.....I'll look at our 06 in the morning.

It's wider than the 05+ standard axle......which is wider than your current front axle.
 

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there is a coil over conversion kit for 99 trucks..like this coilover conversion <--click for article

http://www.full-traction.com/detail.php?MODELID=6&MAKEID=4&TYPEID=1&PRODUCTID=394&NOTES=<---click for part

.fabtech i think has one too
it isn't cheap and might be too high of a lift , but they came out with one for excusions too, that slightly shorter.
you could call and see what they have.

I would imagine you will still need 4" ish for 35's
Thanks, cool info.

I want to upgade several components however. I want a Dana 60, I want the oversized 450 brakes, and I want a huge improvement in wheel cut.

I have cut outs and I easily clear my 37s on a 5.5" lift. I think w/ something equivalent to a 2" leveling kit I can clear. I want it lowish and wide. I have the power to pull 3.73s and I need the mpg help as well.
 

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Thanks, cool info.

I want to upgade several components however. I want a Dana 60, I want the oversized 450 brakes, and I want a huge improvement in wheel cut.

I have cut outs and I easily clear my 37s on a 5.5" lift. I think w/ something equivalent to a 2" leveling kit I can clear. I want it lowish and wide. I have the power to pull 3.73s and I need the mpg help as well.
How did you do the cut outs? Do you have any pictures? Ive been interested in doing them to my truck and slap on some 40s
 

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I have a 05 coil over front axle with 3.73's and also a frame cut with all brackets needed to do this swap. If you have 20's your good, you have to run atleast 17"s to use this axle because of the larger brakes. a f 450 and up use 19.5" rims that are 10 lug. I don'nt think you can just pull a adapter and run 8's on that axle, I could be wrong though. I would love to have the coil over set up , but I don't have money for new rims and the axle. I do have a sorce for new late model parts, but nothing so far on the 08 stuff. This could change in the comming months though.

Dan
 

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Why not use a standerd D60 my 06 cc lb turns alot better than my old 02 sc sb. Or use a super 60 out of the F350 drw trucks and still have 8lug wheels.
 

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i was kinda thinking that with the leaf springs out of the way they would turn better. ssb brakes would also help.

maybe not enough for your application , but better..am I wrong in this theory.
I really don't know much on the actual suspension setups.
 

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FWIW, I'm looking at a 08 Ford Racing catalog and they list the Super 60 front axle, complete with either 4.30s or 4.88s....looks like it comes with everything from rotor to rotor (no calipers).
Says while supplies last, and "Reduced Price"
 

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other than the wider axle what other changes are on that supersteer axle? im gonna do some of the same things on my wifes rig in the coming years.

one thing to think of if you pull the 10lug adapters to put an 8 lug on how do your larger 10lug discs go back on the axle??? id imagine you might be able to have them drilled for an 8 possibly. or the other option would to see if you could get a set done custom.

another option is if its just the longer axle tubes and inner shafts you could get a set of the inner shafts off the super60 and send your axle to an axle shop and they can put your longer tubes in. theres lots of offroad shops that shorten them like when i had the hybrid toyota/d60 done for my rockcrawler which dynatrac did.

ive been lookin into what i can do on both my pickups to shorten the turning radius and untill i can get my wifes on coils or bags in the front im stuck.
 

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The super 60 has larger knuckles, larger unit bearings ( I think), larger brakes, etc...
Can't remember what else is bigger on them.

The rotors go under the adapter, so it depends on what bolt pattern is under that 10 lug adapter...
 
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