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I have been introduced to both for my 06 F250 and I can't figure out which would be better. I have heard good things about both but what I really want to find out is the negative things. Anyone got any details? Thanks
 

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It all depends on what other upgrades you are wanting to do. What size injectors are u looking to run. What are u using the truck for?
 

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I want to run 180 injectors and 66mm turbo. It is a street truck but I plan on running the strip and pulls too
 

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The 66 will be very laggy with 180s, I have put a 62 with stage IIs from Elite and they truck ran great. I have also installed a VGT-SS with the same Sticks and it preformed equally as well, but the Egts were higher with the VGT
 

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If youre sticking with 180 injectors, id most likely stick with a VGT-SS. I ran a Silver Bullett 66 on a 6.0 and it was laggy. around 2100-2200 it would start to light. with a high stall converter youd light it, but the vgt-ss would do a decent job of cleaning things up and have great spool. Youd have to ask logan what kind of temps hes seen with 180s-190s and a VGT-SS. Id imagine a 62 such as a phat shaft 62 would be a better match to those injectors than a 66, as you could still push in the 500 horse range and temps would probably be somewhat managable and spool wouldnt be terrible.

LOL apparently we were posting at the same time.
 

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If youre sticking with 180 injectors, id most likely stick with a VGT-SS. I ran a Silver Bullett 66 on a 6.0 and it was laggy. around 2100-2200 it would start to light. with a high stall converter youd light it, but the vgt-ss would do a decent job of cleaning things up and have great spool. Youd have to ask logan what kind of temps hes seen with 180s-190s and a VGT-SS. Id imagine a 62 such as a phat shaft 62 would be a better match to those injectors than a 66, as you could still push in the 500 horse range and temps would probably be somewhat managable and spool wouldnt be terrible.

LOL apparently we were posting at the same time.
With Elites stage IIs and a reg. return, on insanity tunes, the vgt-ss would peg a 1600* gauge fairly easy at WOT. But driving at 70mph, egts were around 650-700 with stock IC.

With the Phat Shaft 62 the Egts never exceeded 1500* at WOT, and were in the same range at 70MPH.

Phat shaft 62= Hair of lag on the bottom end.
Vgt-ss = Quick spool

both would produce rite at 40 psi.
 

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i know DJ sells a package deal for around 4500..fuel system, 190cc, VGT-SS upgrade, and studs. which is a bargin and seems right up your alley. DJ claims to see in excess of 500 with this set up.

Innovative can do something similiar.

Elite tends to be a little pricey, tadd does do good work but you can get comparable power else where and save 1k..imo
 

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Personally I would Run the Phat Shaft 62, I cleaned up almost all the smoke on the top end, and power wise I think the phat shaft felt like it had more power on the bottom end once it spooled.

The VGT-SS was just more of a consistant power from start to finish. It also was vary close to no smoke aswell.

Both operate well, and Its depending what u are going to do with the truck, daily driver in houston, VGT-SS. Open road towing PS62.
 

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Elites stage IV turbo works well with 275s so maybe a step down. Do you have a converter with a stall? Call tadd at Elite he can either help u or give u a straight answer.
 

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I have run the VGT-SS on my race truck with a lot of success. I have no complaints.
 

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From what I understand, the VGT is better for tuning. Tunes aren't typically writing for non-vgt turbos. Is that correct?
 

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if your goin to get a TN 66 call black widow. they know those turbos very well.

i was originally lookin at either a 66 or slightly smaller
SANGER already has a 66mm from us, but I suspect there are some other issues preventing it from performing as it should. I believe TN has even tightened the A/R in an attempt to help spool up, but I am not sure what has happened since.

We have had a few trucks with the same turbo, but with an injector variable, the performance was not the same. We just went through this exercise with IGOTIT's truck.....
 
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