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Anybody been driving the same truck long enough to notice the difference in fuel economy?

Three years ago up until a month ago my truck has had nothing changed. When 'regular' diesel was available I was sniffing 20 all the time with 3.55's an auto and 6" on 40's. I changed tires and some other stuff so I cant say what Im getting anymore but the last two years prior to mods Ive been at 15.6- 17 w/Diesel Kleen. Thats a substantial loss just from less lubrous fuel and I think its BS.

Just like all the people who bought flex fuel vehicles(for more $$ to the sticker price) only to find out their fuel economy suffered drastically using it. Lot of smoke and mirrors.
 

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Im surprised nobody has anything to add. Doesnt anybody care about their mileage. Thats why I bought the psd in the first place.
 

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I lost almost 2mpg with the switch:doh:
 

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I know its probably old hat by now but Im still pissed. The reason it came up from me again is last night I pulled off to fuel and there where three large fueling stations. One a bp, another a citgo, and a marathon. 45 diesel fuel pumps between the 3 stations and not a single one that didnt have some amount of biomass in it. Its like now I cant even get ulsd that pure dino? Its f'n bs.

I suppose some of the people around here didnt have their trucks back when you could get regular diesel and see what mileage was really like.
 

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I know its a big no-no, but thats why i run off-road fuel in mine. Its the lsd where i get it at, and i also gain about 2-3mpg running it versus ulsd.
 

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I know its a big no-no, but thats why i run off-road fuel in mine. Its the lsd where i get it at, and i also gain about 2-3mpg running it versus ulsd.
It seems like everything that might help the everyday guy out is a big no-no nowadays. Im seriously considering putting a 500 gal tank in my new shop and running offroad too and dirtying it up for inspection fooling. Im just tired of paying high prices and getting poorer and poorer quality fuel all the time. diesel became lsd fuel then ulsd fuel and now its ulsd and the tiny sticker on the pump says 'this fuel is 5-20 percent bio-mass'. It should just say welcome to 13 mpg! If I could run the offroad lsd and get back up around 20 I wouldnt be bishin all the time. Its almost like they wanna punish us because we DID get decent fuel economy for a couple years.
 

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It seems like everything that might help the everyday guy out is a big no-no nowadays. Im seriously considering putting a 500 gal tank in my new shop and running offroad too and dirtying it up for inspection fooling. Im just tired of paying high prices and getting poorer and poorer quality fuel all the time. diesel became lsd fuel then ulsd fuel and now its ulsd and the tiny sticker on the pump says 'this fuel is 5-20 percent bio-mass'. It should just say welcome to 13 mpg! If I could run the offroad lsd and get back up around 20 I wouldnt be bishin all the time. Its almost like they wanna punish us because we DID get decent fuel economy for a couple years.
Yea, i hear ya. Ive never had my tank dipped or anything to check if i was running it. The other nice thing about the off-road fuel is you dont pay the highway tax on it so its like 30cents a gallon cheaper.
 

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Doesnt pay to run offroad anymore. June 2010 Everything is ULSD.
 

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Most OR has been USLD for quite some time in many regions from what I have seen. I figured it was only old stock that was still LSD.

Don't knock the bio added to USLD it actually greatly helps the negatives of USLD lower lubricity. In fact its likely one of the best thing you can add to lubricate it and it quiets down the clatter as well. Now if they would not jack it up a couple cents to fix what they caused that in and of itself caused fuel to go up from the lowest cost fuel next to old leaded fuel to just below supreme gas fuel which at the time over a 20% price hike over night.

I would love to find some type of buyers clubs that allow you put in money that gives you a decent discount on the fuel as they can make a profit off of having your money for the time period until you use it up on fuel. I use no CC anymore but fuel has me seriously considering going to get one that offers a good % back of fuel purchases.
 

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i have been adding ashless tcw3 2 stroke oil to my fuel from walmart it seems to help get back some of what was lost due to the switch over
 

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Most OR has been USLD for quite some time in many regions from what I have seen. I figured it was only old stock that was still LSD.

Don't knock the bio added to USLD it actually greatly helps the negatives of USLD lower lubricity. In fact its likely one of the best thing you can add to lubricate it and it quiets down the clatter as well. Now if they would not jack it up a couple cents to fix what they caused that in and of itself caused fuel to go up from the lowest cost fuel next to old leaded fuel to just below supreme gas fuel which at the time over a 20% price hike over night.

I would love to find some type of buyers clubs that allow you put in money that gives you a decent discount on the fuel as they can make a profit off of having your money for the time period until you use it up on fuel. I use no CC anymore but fuel has me seriously considering going to get one that offers a good % back of fuel purchases.
I agree with what you're saying and I dont 'mind' the bio but it plugs my fuel filter since I dont use it all the time. Secondly, this mostly has to do with fuel economy which suffers when using bio-mass. Last point I want to make, if they are putting that bio-crap in my fuel at 5-20% then I want a discount of that same percentage. The fuel should NOT cost the same if its of inferior quality. The local ag fuel supplier said that they will be able to offer lsd continually if you ask for it otherwise they will bring ulsd.Sorry I just figured out what you were saying about the cost. I couldnt agree more. Thats my bish basically.

Does it not seem like we're being told "you are going to use biofuel"? If thats the case and I have to use a 'low' energy version of diesel fuel, whats the cheapest way to obtain it?

As for the buyers club idea, its what farmers co-ops used to do but 'big' money has threatened their ways and they have all merged and became what they opposed. Sad situation!
 

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I agree with what you're saying and I dont 'mind' the bio but it plugs my fuel filter since I dont use it all the time. Secondly, this mostly has to do with fuel economy which suffers when using bio-mass. Last point I want to make, if they are putting that bio-crap in my fuel at 5-20% then I want a discount of that same percentage. The fuel should NOT cost the same if its of inferior quality. The local ag fuel supplier said that they will be able to offer lsd continually if you ask for it otherwise they will bring ulsd.Sorry I just figured out what you were saying about the cost. I couldnt agree more. Thats my bish basically.

Does it not seem like we're being told "you are going to use biofuel"? If thats the case and I have to use a 'low' energy version of diesel fuel, whats the cheapest way to obtain it?

As for the buyers club idea, its what farmers co-ops used to do but 'big' money has threatened their ways and they have all merged and became what they opposed. Sad situation!
Unfortunately your supplier is lying to you after june or oct this year. He will not be able to get LSD anywhere. They wont make it
 

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Unfortunately your supplier is lying to you after june or oct this year. He will not be able to get LSD anywhere. They wont make it
Where are you getting your information?

We have a refinery in IL and most of our fuel comes from there. I wouldnt say he's lying. There would be no point when I buy fuel and the results are the same. Maybe they are buying HUUGE quantities of ulsd and adding sulfur and acting like there was no change. I care not as long as the truck sips like it used to.

June or Oct of this year? Those two arent even close to each other in proximity. Why june and if not then oct? I have heard #### on the radio about how the diesel will be sold as ULSD across the us as the gov't, epa, and opec are influencing the change blah blah blah.. sounds like propaganda to me. Isnt there an election in Nov? Hmmmm sounds like it worked.
 

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ive tested many things 2 cycle oil just motor oil kleen other stuff from truck stops it gets the same no matter what i put note its the same as nothing in it
witch is 15 city 18 hwy with 373 gears i was wondering about 355 gears
 

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oh diesel shouldnt be why high the gas thats just wrong when gas goes down here diesel doesnt
 

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Where are you getting your information?

We have a refinery in IL and most of our fuel comes from there. I wouldnt say he's lying. There would be no point when I buy fuel and the results are the same. Maybe they are buying HUUGE quantities of ulsd and adding sulfur and acting like there was no change. I care not as long as the truck sips like it used to.

June or Oct of this year? Those two arent even close to each other in proximity. Why june and if not then oct? I have heard #### on the radio about how the diesel will be sold as ULSD across the us as the gov't, epa, and opec are influencing the change blah blah blah.. sounds like propaganda to me. Isnt there an election in Nov? Hmmmm sounds like it worked.
I said june or oct because at the time I couldnt remember which of the 2 months it was.

As of dec 2010 everything will be ULSD except for the railroad. They can get LSD until 2014. However after 2010 unless they have their own refineries it will be unlikely they can get lsd
 

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I said june or oct because at the time I couldnt remember which of the 2 months it was.

As of dec 2010 everything will be ULSD except for the railroad. They can get LSD until 2014. However after 2010 unless they have their own refineries it will be unlikely they can get lsd
Im glad you re-posted! I have done quite a bit of reading in the meantime and have a source of oil. I am most lilely going to make some diesel fuel at home, once I figure out whether Im going to buy a pre-made cooker or fabricate one.

I have a friend who sold Archer oil, well technically his dad sold it but he inherited the two semi trailers full of oil drums, that said I can have:eek: ALL of it. Between that and the hundreds of gallons of wmo I have here already I should be able to make quite a bit. Ill try it and have a chemist from NW university in IL who said he would help me analyze the oil for sulfur ppm and any other chemicals that need to be there. I would love it if I could keep myself fueled and not have to buy any pump fuel.

One more thing I have to do AND keep an eye on but working never hurt anyone.
 

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I've never been able to tell the difference between LSD and ULSD, beyond the fact that ULSD costs more.

No true with biodiesel. If there is any biodiesel in the fuel, my mileage goes down. If biodiesel clogs your filters, your fuel tank is full of mung.
 

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I've never been able to tell the difference between LSD and ULSD, beyond the fact that ULSD costs more.

No true with biodiesel. If there is any biodiesel in the fuel, my mileage goes down. If biodiesel clogs your filters, your fuel tank is full of mung.
I live in IL which is one of the highest producing states for bio. Most service stations in the last two years have put the stickers up stating that their product contains bio. Funny cuz my fuel economy has gone down in the last three. I know that bio helps with lubricity but whatever...I add DieselKleen for that..Oh well, hopefully I can make a small batch of diesel this week.
 
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