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The truck at work just had a very recent complete overhaul of the entire steering and front suspension. It doesn't take long at all for that stuff to just get loose. It actually has something clunking around under it again inspite of the easy life it gets compared to the other trucks.
Whats the truck at work? Year, make, model? If it has an easier life than the 'other' trucks why does it need repair? If you guys just repaired it, why is it still broke, aka clunking? Maybe its not being 'repaired' but rather having parts thrown at it haphazardly. My lift was put on and checked periodically for the first year and now I just repair things when they break, which is due to environmental-rust moreso than premature failure. ON a monobeam truck the only way something can 'clunk' is something isnt assembled properly, i.e.,missing parts or improper fastener application(like under-torqued bolts or wrong grade of bolts).

Im not saying that a solid axle truck doesnt need repair but ifs(infinitely fixing stuff or shti) is more maintenance heavy, lest you let it all rust together and perform poorly. I dont think that ifs is bad but not for heavy duty trucks. It lightens the front end too much. Just because most people dont service ifs frontends doesnt mean they dont need it. All this is just my opinion. Ive had both types of front ends on a truck so its not entirely w/o experience that I prefer the solid axle. The ifs seems to rattle once the truck gets miles on it, especially during off road use. The solid axle is more bouncy.
 

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There were more reviews that were released, they both ranked the Ford as No. 1! Then there is the diesel power mag review, it was ok but it didn't really seem like they pit the trucks against eachother the same way the others did. They seemed to only weigh the strengths and then leave the rest to the consumer which isn't bad. But, so far most reviews favor the Ford... I love my truck thus far, and with the reflash it is even better!
 

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Whats the truck at work? Year, make, model? If it has an easier life than the 'other' trucks why does it need repair? If you guys just repaired it, why is it still broke, aka clunking? Maybe its not being 'repaired' but rather having parts thrown at it haphazardly. My lift was put on and checked periodically for the first year and now I just repair things when they break, which is due to environmental-rust moreso than premature failure. ON a monobeam truck the only way something can 'clunk' is something isnt assembled properly, i.e.,missing parts or improper fastener application(like under-torqued bolts or wrong grade of bolts).

Im not saying that a solid axle truck doesnt need repair but ifs(infinitely fixing stuff or shti) is more maintenance heavy, lest you let it all rust together and perform poorly. I dont think that ifs is bad but not for heavy duty trucks. It lightens the front end too much. Just because most people dont service ifs frontends doesnt mean they dont need it. All this is just my opinion. Ive had both types of front ends on a truck so its not entirely w/o experience that I prefer the solid axle. The ifs seems to rattle once the truck gets miles on it, especially during off road use. The solid axle is more bouncy.
99 f250 ps auto 4x4. The ford does float smoother on rough dirt roads but lacks in confidence. We have an ifs truck with double the mileage less expense and it is a 1500 that was used like a 3500 at that. Im not saying solid axle is junk but ifs has its place and works very well and weighing less is not a bad thing.
 

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99 f250 ps auto 4x4. The ford does float smoother on rough dirt roads but lacks in confidence. We have an ifs truck with double the mileage less expense and it is a 1500 that was used like a 3500 at that. Im not saying solid axle is junk but ifs has its place and works very well and weighing less is not a bad thing.
I highly doubt its the truck that is lacking confidence...:D

Ive seen a 94 z71 with 334k miles on it and it was all in one piece but the trans had been replace three times and the motor was running 50wt oil to get any compression...I highly doubt that a halfton gas truck runs or performs better than a 3/4 ton with half the mileage.

You're right ifs does have its place, on mini trucks and half ton, occasional use trucks. Ive seen how tires wear on hd dmax trucks that pull everyday. Nto a pretty sight.
 

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Ive seen how tires wear on hd dmax trucks that pull everyday. Nto a pretty sight.
Were they towing in reverse with the trailer hooked to the front bumper or something? :confused:

Not sure how towing wears out the front tires moreso on an IFS truck than a SFA truck, but ok. Snow plowing or hanging heavy stuff on the front end yeah, I can see that.
 

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Were they towing in reverse with the trailer hooked to the front bumper or something? :confused:

Not sure how towing wears out the front tires moreso on an IFS truck than a SFA truck, but ok. Snow plowing or hanging heavy stuff on the front end yeah, I can see that.
I was starting to think that you were smart and the fact that you cant figure this one out has me wondering how you are capable of building 'race' trucks. Well lets see, last time I pulled a trailer on a sfa'd truck the tires didnt go from neutral to positive camber. Im gonna stop there. If you havent caught on you wont.

If you think doing some stupid fuggin sh!t like you detailed in the first sentence of your reply is necessary to cause negative results in a ifs(it flops severely) truck then your dad shoulda shot the load that became you in the coal-bucket.

It juuust might be time for you to go back to your own campfire. We're all dim-witted and apparently dont know what quality is. I encourage you to leave, you're wasting your own time here. Time you could be using to build some really fast race trucks.
 

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I was starting to think that you were smart and the fact that you cant figure this one out has me wondering how you are capable of building 'race' trucks. Well lets see, last time I pulled a trailer on a sfa'd truck the tires didnt go from neutral to positive camber. Im gonna stop there. If you havent caught on you wont.

If you think doing some stupid fuggin sh!t like you detailed in the first sentence of your reply is necessary to cause negative results in a ifs(it flops severely) truck then your dad shoulda shot the load that became you in the coal-bucket.

It juuust might be time for you to go back to your own campfire. We're all dim-witted and apparently dont know what quality is. I encourage you to leave, you're wasting your own time here. Time you could be using to build some really fast race trucks.
The most recent truck that I built (custom twins, etc) just raced at diesel nationals in NJ and went mid 11's at 122mph with a 6" lift on 35's. Sorry I know its slower than what a 7.3 on 35's would run, but I dont think thats too bad. How fast was the last truck that you built?

Thats why you run airbags. If you keep the rear end from sagging you are going to keep the front at ride height. BTW SFA trucks can wear tires if the front end is drooping too...well depending on what steering setup htey have, inverted Y/Inverted T whatever...I dont know what they use now on the radius arm setup, all the fords Ive had to work on are 03-04 6.0's (wow no way!).

F250's will sit ass-down with a decent amount of tongue weight too.

The load in the coal bucket thing is fking immature and disgusting, go back to the trailer park, seriously. Apparently I have too many teeth to be participating in this thread.
 

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You guys have high-jacked this thread! It was about the reviews on the web and in the available magazines, not about SFA vs IFS! Then it went waaaaay too far with the insults. Lets get back to the reviews, I am interested to see how the Super Duty is doing in the press.
 

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The most recent truck that I built (custom twins, etc) just raced at diesel nationals in NJ and went mid 11's at 122mph with a 6" lift on 35's. Sorry I know its slower than what a 7.3 on 35's would run, but I dont think thats too bad. How fast was the last truck that you built?

So how much will it tow? Does everything on the truck work as it would stock off the lot brand new?

Thats why you run airbags. If you keep the rear end from sagging you are going to keep the front at ride height. BTW SFA trucks can wear tires if the front end is drooping too...well depending on what steering setup htey have, inverted Y/Inverted T whatever...I dont know what they use now on the radius arm setup, all the fords Ive had to work on are 03-04 6.0's (wow no way!).

F250's will sit ass-down with a decent amount of tongue weight too.

But at least the axle will ride the ground level unlike IFS. Come on ben you should know this.
I guess I get bashed for my feelings on gm now and you will get smacked around on this forum for your feelings about Ford.
 

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Ben you missed the point again. The sfa doesnt move...it stays in the same plane whether loaded or not. Just as the rear does. Im not talking about suspension as that has no effect on the sa.

I dont build racetrucks Ben. Its not really my thesis. If I want something fast Ill get an awd turbo car to FLYYYYYY around in. A diesel truck for racing is cool but for me personally it is about towing and doing so with a little bit more power. The new trucks that isnt really an issue. GM or ford, they are powerful as hell stock.

I didnt need to hear about your accomplishments in your niche at building dmax's I was questioning how you can be so skilled and talented(which I think you probably are) yet fail to understand something simple like how a stock ifs frontend reacts to a loaded trailer vs a sfa truck in stock form.

Basic as it gets. I have an engineering degree and designed fossil-fuel power plants as a livelihood in my early twenties so you neednt use your own acumen to 'prove' your mechanical savvy to me. I said before, I think you're smart and know the gm platform but sometimes I think you know more about modding them and performance than your basic mechanical grasp should allow.

DSL pwr said what I was hoping to but in the past when I said things simply you didnt catch my drift.

As for the coal bucket comment, Ill give you that, but it was said tongue in cheek out of my frustration that you cant picture sfa articulation, even partially. Servicing radius armed or leaf sprung sfa's matter not one bit in this case.
 

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Ben you missed the point again. The sfa doesnt move...it stays in the same plane whether loaded or not. Just as the rear does. Im not talking about suspension as that has no effect on the sa.
I realize that. But toe can change depending on ride height on a SFA trucks with inverted Y steering. I dont know how the super duty's are setup but on the dodges, it is this way. Would you not agree with that? my 'toy' is a '68 vw beetle with 4 wheel drive and a 5.3 LSx in the rear. Obviously you arent going to find anything off the shelf for a contraption like that. Im not an engineer and I dont design fossil fuel plants but it wheels well and didnt break until I slid sideways on the road at 45 mph and flipped it in the air several times into the ditch...the cage that I built with my below-average basic mechanical understanding saved my life.

I dont mean to bring that up to "brag", im just saying that most things I do are fabricated, not bought. Like I said im not an engineer by education and I never claimed to be, but give me at least a little credit here. Im not the les schwab down the street who does tire rotations and edge/banks installations. If I was, I wouldnt have customers who drive 6+ hours for a custom set of twins, engine build, trans build, etc...

Basic as it gets. I have an engineering degree and designed fossil-fuel power plants as a livelihood in my early twenties so you neednt use your own acumen to 'prove' your mechanical savvy to me. I said before, I think you're smart and know the gm platform but sometimes I think you know more about modding them and performance than your basic mechanical grasp should allow. .
Im not an engineer by education, you are. You're smarter than me. I got nothing. Back when I was designing the circuitry and writing the software code/bus interface for my "tap-shifter" (a module that lets you add the 06+ transmission tip-tronic manual shifter buttons to an 01-05 dmax) I should have consulted a real engineer. I probably would have gotten through R&D and prototyping much faster with a real engineer working with me. When you are building/designing/inventing things for these trucks that no one else in the country does/can figure out, theres a good chance you have an above average "basic mechanical grasp" of things. Just my stupid opinion. :)

Besides, if being an engineer makes you right all the time, then who designed the GM IFS setup? Surely not engineers. :D (thats my tongue in cheek joke)

I like super duty's; they are the most solid trucks in the 'basic platform' department in my opinion. When I say that I mean suspension, axles, frames, etc. If I was going to get a beater truck that I could do whatever I want with and drive the crap out of in the woods and on jobsites and stuff, Id buy a 7.3 and put up with the vague on-center feel and ball joint/unit bearing replacements. But for a personal truck to drive at less than insane abuse levels, and tow trailers long distances comfortably, I like the GM's. Without airbags, a super duty definitely feels more "solid" towing than a GM, IMO. But once you put airbags on a GM and put some weight in the bed they feel more or less the same to me.

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I realize that. But toe can change depending on ride height on a SFA trucks with inverted Y steering. I dont know how the super duty's are setup but on the dodges, it is this way. Would you not agree with that? my 'toy' is a '68 vw beetle with 4 wheel drive and a 5.3 LSx in the rear. Obviously you arent going to find anything off the shelf for a contraption like that. Im not an engineer and I dont design fossil fuel plants but it wheels well and didnt break until I slid sideways on the road at 45 mph and flipped it in the air several times into the ditch...the cage that I built with my below-average basic mechanical understanding saved my life.

I dont mean to bring that up to "brag", im just saying that most things I do are fabricated, not bought. Like I said im not an engineer by education and I never claimed to be, but give me at least a little credit here. Im not the les schwab down the street who does tire rotations and edge/banks installations. If I was, I wouldnt have customers who drive 6+ hours for a custom set of twins, engine build, trans build, etc...



Im not an engineer by education, you are. You're smarter than me. I got nothing. Back when I was designing the circuitry and writing the software code/bus interface for my "tap-shifter" (a module that lets you add the 06+ transmission tip-tronic manual shifter buttons to an 01-05 dmax) I should have consulted a real engineer. I probably would have gotten through R&D and prototyping much faster with a real engineer working with me. When you are building/designing/inventing things for these trucks that no one else in the country does/can figure out, theres a good chance you have an above average "basic mechanical grasp" of things. Just my stupid opinion. :)

Besides, if being an engineer makes you right all the time, then who designed the GM IFS setup? Surely not engineers. :D (thats my tongue in cheek joke)

I like super duty's; they are the most solid trucks in the 'basic platform' department in my opinion. When I say that I mean suspension, axles, frames, etc. If I was going to get a beater truck that I could do whatever I want with and drive the crap out of in the woods and on jobsites and stuff, Id buy a 7.3 and put up with the vague on-center feel and ball joint/unit bearing replacements. But for a personal truck to drive at less than insane abuse levels, and tow trailers long distances comfortably, I like the GM's. Without airbags, a super duty definitely feels more "solid" towing than a GM, IMO. But once you put airbags on a GM and put some weight in the bed they feel more or less the same to me.

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I knew you'd throw that in my face...cuz thats all you got.

I am glad you can fabricate stuff. Thats great. Your tapshifter retro is a great idea. Im sure it was hard if you reverse engineered(theres that damn word again) one that gm already put in a newer truck. We've all done creative things when we needed to. Ever made a boost controller with a small water line valve? Hardware store parts?

I said for someone who builds race trucks you couldnt understand the obvious. Ive NEVER seen my tires camber angle change on my truck based on a load. Im not saying that makes a ford better or whatever. My saying Im an engineer was more of a joke, like you all think Im a dumbass but have an engineering degree kind of joke....:poke:

I dont care if somebody is formally educated or not.

Im sure we're either too much alike or way too different because you understand nothing I say, and vice versa.

None of it really matters though...
 

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IFS on a halfton is very understandable... to think that a big heavy truck is better off with IFS than a big strong SFA is nonsense.. JMO

Over 100K miles here and never touched for maintainance.... i've thrown alot of power at this thing as well.
 

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CNBC is doing a special program on Ford Reinventing an American icon. Everytime i see a new Dodge or Chevy truck i think why is that guy buying from the GOVERMENT I don't support wellfare and whats worse is this lies that they have paid back the Taxpayers. Buy the ford its superior and you can jump on the best american success story in years GMC Govermant Motor Company there IRS Camaro even gets its but kicked by live axle mustang come on chevy boys jump in, the water's HOT!!!:poke:
 

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Funny your writing about this cause they just had a write up in the paper about GM VS Ford .... Title was "Is GM worth as much as Ford" it was about Stocks and it talked about the Money borrowed and peoples thoughts on that!

basically came down to people liking the Ford For not usen Our tax money among other reasons!

What Got me was they said GM would be able to Put money back into their Products sooner because of the bail out.... it said Ford had Morgaged everything they had for the restructure and it would take longer before they would have the extra cash to put into their Products...

The Paper DID say they/GM still owe the tax Money!!!

It also stated that GM has had 4 CEO's in the Last 2 years.. Ford #1 :~)
 

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GM is as bad as Goldman Sach's bunch of back door thieves. If ford fails that is last of capitalism for most part in this country. Ford put it on the line did not put out hand and squeal and for that there is risk and that is how it is supposed to work. The friendly chevy Ford argument is not that anymore any red blooded American must see the highjjacking of our car companies Ford is the Last major manufacturer i dont know how will play out with such a disadvantage no one seems to care if companies or people are on wellfare or were the product comes from and that will eventually kill this great company and our kidds will have to fight to rid goverment from our lives so buy that camaro order that pelosi edition iI will stick with a white ford work truck that keeps this country turning. If you all don't agree that what i fought for for this country and thats great i just hope it stays that way. If you don't see then besides ford, some beer and prostituition. see what else we still make in this country. Vanity is a sighn of decline in society and most reality tv shows are just about that. sorry for monolog!!:blah:
 

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I have an 08 f250 and I drive an 08 chevy for my company truck, I put 70,000 miles a year on the duramax and I dont mind the motor. I HATE the rest of that truck. I cant beleive they could sell a truck that is such a peice of crap.
 

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I have an 08 f250 and I drive an 08 chevy for my company truck, I put 70,000 miles a year on the duramax and I dont mind the motor. I HATE the rest of that truck. I cant beleive they could sell a truck that is such a peice of crap.
Right there with ya....We're about to get another 2011 dmax at work...the last 07 has 170k on it and its a pos. Shakes and shudders. It runs decent still. Ill give it that. Our 09 has 91k on it and is still nice. The first 2011 we have is approaching the 10k mile mark already and has used twice the urea it should have. It runs good and stops a little better than the older trucks but it still needs work. Im waiting for the driveshaft to come through the floor some morning when we're pulling the trailer. What can you expect for 55 grand though? I wouldnt ever buy one. POS.
 

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Right there with ya....We're about to get another 2011 dmax at work...the last 07 has 170k on it and its a pos. Shakes and shudders. It runs decent still. Ill give it that. Our 09 has 91k on it and is still nice. The first 2011 we have is approaching the 10k mile mark already and has used twice the urea it should have. It runs good and stops a little better than the older trucks but it still needs work. Im waiting for the driveshaft to come through the floor some morning when we're pulling the trailer. What can you expect for 55 grand though? I wouldnt ever buy one. POS.
I drove a new 6.7 and a new lml yesterday. The engine and trans in the 6.7 seemed very confused.the 6.7 also woul feel very strong the instant it down shifted but it kinda fell on it's face.the dmax didn't have that instant spoolup but then pulled harder. In 2006 ford did recieve 18,billion dollar loan. So go buy a Toyota that would probably put more money back in the economy.
 
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