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Howdy, folks, newb to both diesels and this forum here, with some questions I really haven't seen answers for in searching previous threads. If I missed them, I apologize, but I do want to know more about what to do before I do it...

The truck in question is a newly bought 2006 F250 Lariat, 116k miles, EGR-deleted, studded, with an Air Raid intake. For the next two years or so, it will be used mostly for driving, but the end use after that will be for pulling a 5th wheel for extended stretches after I retire. So, the questions will be based on that, what I look at as a medium duty vehicle that will see regular road time, both pulling and just driving.

1. I plan on adding a bypass oil filtration system; is going to 2 microns necessary, as some of the filters are for 10 or so? I am going to put some money into the engine, but at the same time, I don't necessarily want to just waste it. From what I understand, a bypass system may be more than I really need, but better safe than sorry on a long haul, I'm thinking.

2. If I use a coolant filtration system, do I really need to look at upgrading the radiator? What about the water pump? Again, not for a true 'heavy duty' truck, but will that 32 foot 5th wheel work the engine that hard, even in hot weather?

3. Additional tranny cooler?

4. How much instrumentation is needed? It sounds like an Edge or something similar is pretty much a given, but are pillar gauges worth the time? What do you think is enough?

5. Is there other work that I need to look into, or have done? The truck doesn't need to be work ready yet, so I can take the time to get my hands dirty now, even if it takes longer than I thought it would. Imagine that...

i know, a lot of questions... lol

Chime in with whatever you want to address, and skip what you don't. Believe me, my position is that any information or tips from y'all will be better than my best guess, since it will be from those who actually know, rather than someone who just read about it.

Thanks in advance.
 

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welcome to the forum!

1. great question! you're right, that's not talked about very often on forums. might check 'bobistheoilguy' to see if there is something worthwhile there. i'd like to hear more about what spec filter would be worth it, but for sure, you should only need motorcraft oil (and fuel too lol) filters and a quality full synth oil while you are DD'ing it.

2. just curious, what kind of coolant does/has the truck had in it? if you went with a good ELC (EC1 rated coolant) like rotella's read stuff AND a coolant filter, i would feel much better about running the truck with the stock water pump and radiator. Rather, just run it til it needs replacement.

3. You might find some good answers in the 'Transmisison Related' subforum on here. For sure though, a good heated flush or a series of flush-n-fills is highly recommended in the short term. it's hard to get much over half the fluid out by draining it just once.

4. An Edge monitor would be great! you can install a pyrometer to monitor egts while towing that 5th wheel. otherwise, i love my scanguageII. and learning to love my elc obd2 bluetooth adapter (work with your smartphone & is only about $20). if money isn't an issue, that edge with pyro is hard to beat for monitoring IMO. ever think about installing a custom tune? might consider going with a full blown programmer so you can load a tow tune when you want it.

5. This is the biggest question lol, i'll start with ... blue spring mod, new oil cooler, metal CAC tube on driver side, strait pipe or CAT delete on exhaust, zoodad mod, maybe some injectors for towing when the time comes (with a nice tow tune), HPO updates (standpipes, dummy plugs, STC fitting) ... list goes on my friend! fumoto valves on either side of the block (ease of draining coolant), 6.4 starter, upgraded water separator drain cap thingy, CCV reroute, load supports on rear axle (air bags, AALs, timbrens, supersprings, plenty of choices)... i believe theres an updated turbo drain tube as well... you could go hog wild and install ceramic coated uppipes lol
 

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I have changed the fuel and oil filters, replacing with Autocraft, and am running Rotella T6 now; don't know what was in it before, to be honest. I believe the radiator is running Gold right now; I haven't flushed it yet. I've heard that the ELC is better than the Gold, so that's what I'll be using; I just heard that the best way to ensure long life was with a filtration system on top of that. If it really doesn't seem necessary, due to the way the truck will be used, more money to spend on other stuff...!

I knew that there would be money spent on getting the truck ready, but I wouldn't say it wasn't an object... lol. I've heard about getting various tunes for a vehicle, but I figure I'd really only need a few: one for towing, and one for mileage. I'm not young, so I don't need a hot rod one; not an off-roader, so don't need a power one either. I've heard about the Edge, and I believe the SCT;,and Scangauge sounds familiar; seems like one would work, but it sounds like another gauge or two would be helpful as well, and even an app.

I'll have to look up some of those other suggestions, but the one I don't expect will be an issue will be loading up the rear axle; after researching it (because that's the kind of goober I am), I'm planning to roll with the Automated Safety Hitch, basically a drop axle. Other than that, sounds like plenty of days cussing at Ford engineers... lol

I'll keep digging, and let you know what I hear/learn about the oil bypass filters.

And thanks... :)
 

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autocraft fitlers?

good choice on the t6 oil!

on the coolant, we all pretty much agree that it's best to run the red elc no matter what use the truck is subject to. and your truck will benefit from a coolant filter for sure. after your first filter change, just crack it open and i bet you'll find sand and rust!

- good plan on just having a tow tune and economy tune.

...and last but not least, the blue spring mod and all of the HPO updates are 'must haves' for a 6.0 that you plan on keeping around. keep us posted & ask any questions you like!
 

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I would do a bulletproof oil cooler setup when your ready to tow. That will bring your eot down, do away with the problematic oil cooler, and would complete the oil filter setup. Yes it's expensive up front, but changing multiple oil coolers adds up too.

I think for the price of a egde setup, you may as well pickup a sct livewire that will monitor everything and double as a tuner. I've been very happy with mine.

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Sorry, I forgot the sct won't monitor the egts unless you install a probe. Still no big deal really

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autocraft fitlers?

...and last but not least, the blue spring mod and all of the HPO updates are 'must haves' for a 6.0 that you plan on keeping around. keep us posted & ask any questions you like!
Yep, all Autocraft filters.

And, since the plan is to keep this truck until it dies, or I do, I'm looking to do whatever I can to give it an even chance... lol
 

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I would do a bulletproof oil cooler setup when your ready to tow. That will bring your eot down, do away with the problematic oil cooler, and would complete the oil filter setup. Yes it's expensive up front, but changing multiple oil coolers adds up too.

I think for the price of a egde setup, you may as well pickup a sct livewire that will monitor everything and double as a tuner. I've been very happy with mine.

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So, if one has an Edge, would they need to get a separate tuner as well? Because if so, it sounds like it would be easier to have one that does both...
 

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Yep, all Autocraft filters.

And, since the plan is to keep this truck until it dies, or I do, I'm looking to do whatever I can to give it an even chance... lol
Do you maybe mean Motorcraft? Which would be Ford's brand

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So, if one has an Edge, would they need to get a separate tuner as well? Because if so, it sounds like it would be easier to have one that does both...
i think the edge insight is their monitor, which is really nice. but Edge products also has a tuner, which are not ideal for the 6.0. lot of people have trouble with them.

that being said, the STC line of tuners for the 6.0 is hard to beat for both tuning and monitoring.

one thing i will say, if you have the sct x4 mounted on the windshield or visible to thieves, you run the risk of it getting stolen. if its stolen while a tune is loaded on your truck then you'll have to pay Ford to reflash your truck (and buy another tuner/programmer) if you ever want to load another tune on there. plus paying for a new side window lol
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or you can just hide it!
 

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why thank you!
i'm hoping to hear more on the oil filtration and trans cooling
So far, all I've really found on the oil filtration is a study done by DOE some years ago, on both buses and some light trucks using bypass oil filtration. In that study, diesel buses went much longer time frames between needing oil changes, although I didn't see any charts stating exactly what the oil change requirements were. They did state that it was about an even split between oil degradation and either human or mechanical issue, but they didn't publish the oil test findings, as far as I saw (I admit to only skimming, because it was getting late and I had to get up for work).

Most of the rest I've seen is manufacturer promotion, although there have been some informative articles. Between manufacturer claims and anecdotal evidence, it appears that oil filtration would be useful in extending oil life by preventing contaminants from degrading viscosity. I would guess that doubling the interval between oil changes would be a typical expectation, and more, depending on usage and oil testing. With my expected level of usage, if I could get 15K from an oil change, the system would pay for itself before too long, albeit slower than it would for someone that used their vehicle more.

Anyway, so far I haven't seen much regarding the difference between 2 micron and 10 micron filters, although it seems to be an agreed upon point that contaminants between 2-4 microns are a significant culprit of engine wear. There is also a difference between 'nominal' and 'absolute' effectiveness; nominal is a catchall for being anywhere from 0-98.7% effective at filtering a specific size contaminant, and absolute is 98.7% and up. Seems to be a pretty major difference; nominal could mean the filter barely catches anything, or that it is pretty effective... I'd guess that it would be better to look for the 'absolute' filter, at whatever micron size claim it makes, as it has to have established under testing that it is capable of doing that.

Until more comes up...
 

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You mentioned if you didn't have to do certain things you could have more money for other mods. So, if money is an issue, send me a PM and I'll tell you how I saved on my coolant and oil bypass systems. Saved me a ton compared to buying a pre-built kit.

As for a tranny cooler, can definitely help, especially if you're pulling a 5th wheel, but may not be necessary. What I have found out from running an all aluminum radiator, and from reading other people's experiences with them, is that my tranny runs a good 20 degrees cooler just from that one swap. That's a HUGE difference. So while you may not have considered it, you may want an all aluminum, welded radiator for two reasons....cooler tranny temps and eliminating the possibility of end cap leaks with the stock radiator.

I do extended oil changes with oil analysis through Blackstone since I have an oil bypass filter. All of my numbers have been well into the green compared to their non bypass filter comparisons, with one exception...fuel contamination. That, according to Blackstone, is the one thing which will require an oil change the quickest with a oil bypass filter. It can filter out the particles, but not the fuel. In fact, that's the only reason I changed my oil last time, but I did get to about 16,000 miles. As for micron size, quite simply, the smaller the better. And a 2 micron without a restriction fitting will filter worse than a 10 micron with one, so make sure you get one with a restriction.
 

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i think the edge insight is their monitor, which is really nice. but Edge products also has a tuner, which are not ideal for the 6.0. lot of people have trouble with them.

that being said, the STC line of tuners for the 6.0 is hard to beat for both tuning and monitoring.

one thing i will say, if you have the sct x4 mounted on the windshield or visible to thieves, you run the risk of it getting stolen. if its stolen while a tune is loaded on your truck then you'll have to pay Ford to reflash your truck (and buy another tuner/programmer) if you ever want to load another tune on there. plus paying for a new side window lol
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Edge now has the CTS2 Pro which will allow you to load custom tunes from tuners. Wish they would have come out with it 8 months ago and I would not have had to buy my x4 lol

Also when you do finally start towing I recommend the BPD oil cooler. I run it and my EOT vary rarely gets over 200. Another addition to that would be to get their mechanical fan clutch w/adapter to also help with cooling. However if you live in a cold area I would not get it because when I paired it with my BPD cooler I found that my EOT were a little to low for comfort.
 
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