I always had a slightly longer crank on my truck so I never noticed a difference, but my friend has a noticeably longer crank on his truck after installing my modded HPOP.

 

weird, I hope it doesnt make it a b!tch to start in the winter....sometimes she can barely turn over.

 

I live in CO high country off the grid which means I never plug my trucks in. My 99 with the Terminator fires right up in the winter and runs fine after a couple romps. I will say, it seems to start better in the Extreme program. As far as longer crank times, I have not noticed that issue, mine fires right up.

Did you run it hard to purge the air out after installing the pumps?

If it is barely turning over, your batteries or starter are weak.

Are your GP's and GPR working?

 

Email Joey. He will help you out. I have the same problem.

 

have the same problem?

 

I noticed mine cranked longer after I put the modded HPOP in as well

 

well when its -40 and I cant plug in it doesnt take long for the cranking to slow right down, but I just changed batteries the other day so I should be alright. it usually starts decent. and i dont have dual pumps, its a single modded pump, and I havent really gotten to drive it yet....

 

Yea, -40 does tend to shut almost everything down. My 06 TDI started fine though after a couple cycles of the GP's.

Ok, if you havent driven it, it still has air in it. This will cause exactly your problem. You need to take it out and run it for 20 miles doing consecutive WOT runs. This will purge the air out of the HPO system.

 

sounds like air in the system to me drive it like you stole it for a couple days

 

My point is, I don't think it's air in the system that is causing this issue. Also, I don't the OP to get mixed signals since there are two products offered by Joey. So I pointed out the difference, that's all.

I'm thinking it's bored, stroked or something to increase volume or pressure. I'm not an hydraulic engineer so I can't be certain. All I know is that it's supposed to increase oil pressure by approximately 300psi over a stock 17° hpop. I've pondered if this increase in size somewhere means it takes more time to initially build the pressure and causes this issue. I doubt I'm right.

 

THE MODDED 17* will have a bit longer crank due to the internal mods in the pump if you are unhappy with the longer crank times this can be changed at the cost of icp psi i have no prob starting cold when i had my modded 17* now the T1 has a snappy now fire to it

 

When I had the pulse crankj time was the same...
Iirc batteries almost freeze at -40

 

Ive had my modded 17* in for a long time so I know there is no air left in the system, I also installed stage 2 injectors, new batteries and a modded IDM at the same time so I had no idea what could have cuased the slightly longer cranks but now I know, learn somethin new every day

 

Ok I will say this there is a fix for the extended crank. But it comes at a cost of icp pressure. The last data logs i saw were about 2-300 psi less @ WOT. That said it is a modded 17* modded being the key word unfortuneatly this is some thing a few of us live with to have more icp on top. If you are unhappy with it please send joey an email

 

is the loss of ICP you are describing mean going from 3800 to 3600 or somewhere lower in the pressure range?

 

I had extended crank issues when I had the BTS Big Oil system installed. Brian told me that he wasn't concerned even when I told him that it kept doing it. He said that by the time I got home (Motel in Branson MO), it would clear up. Next morning I fired it up and it was back to normal.

 

i noticed a longer crank to start. i find it a little annoying. i will be pulling my modded 17* pump out and going a different route.

 

As Camojeeper said above. It's an issue on a few of the early moded 17's that I can fix. If you want it done, send it back.

Thanks,

Joey@TE

 

Perfect :bowfast:

 

joey how long does it take you to do the needed fix?

 

1 hour. If I receive it early enough, it will ship back the same day.

Garrett, I have NO employee's, unless you count my wife!LOL

 

Camo. You work for Joey?

Just curious.

 

No I dont work for joey LMFAO. But he is my friend and we do work toghter on a few things he has been a big help to me and my business. I do like to answer peoples ?'s so he doesnt have to because as soon as he chimes in the sharks get loose and try to eat him:blah:
It's funny to me how small, meddium and big oil can get to be such a pissing contest. there is so much room in the market for all of the big oil guys so why all the BS? Sure we all like to chearlead for our favorite but the bashing is uncalled for. I belive the biggest problem that the big oil guys have is this.
As soon as there pump/s leave there shops they have no control over the install of said pump/s so it someone touqres some thing down wrong or doesnt clean it/prep well enof and it leaks or whatever. Its off to the net to $hit all over them this is not fair to any of the big oil guys.
sorry for the rant
steve

 

Gotcha. I understand. reading your posts it almost came across that way. I know Kenny "Bogger" is "almost" a TE employee.

Just didnt know if it was like that.

 

Ya no biggie I wish i were a terminator employee how cool would that be!
If you have ever been around joey very long he is fun to work with

 

I hope who ever did the polishing and etching didn't do the mods on the inside

 

Speakin of big oil wars....lol It is #### like that that usually gets it started......Funny thing is this is about modded 17,s and that pump is far from a modded 17......

Got to start somewhere, looks like a prototype to me.

 

so the earlier pumps that have this extended crank time in essance have 300more psi at WOT?

 

YES so if ya can live with it you will make more psi @WOT

 

At what pressure? You never answered my question. Is it adding 300 to 3500 or 300 to 2700 psi?

 

I was asking the question to make sure you weren't losing pressure in the "useless" range (3500+) then it wouldn't matter...lol

 

ok ya i dont think a modded pump will get over 3400 but maybe

 

Higher ICP isn't a good thing or the inj..as stated by inj builders that I trust and don't do squat for aditional HP...old news.

So I guess with this new pump ya can't have your cake and eat it to?

 

I believe its more about the piston springs in the pump.
Conditions change during startup and actual running of the pump.

.02

Bill

 

Reading all of this, would I be right in saying the dual pump option is better than the single modded one? Or are the duals also modded for the added pressure?

Just trying to learn here guys. I've considered this modded pump thing for my stock injectors and to continue on with some Rosewood stage 2's or other hybrid setup later on.

Thanks
Dave

 

The decision for what big oil to go with is IMO this.....
Fitment (crap you have to change to install said big oil)
Eventual power goals (biggest injector size you will ever run and oil demands for said injectors)
Primary use for truck (does said big oil choice shear oil and cause more frequent oil changes on a mostly street truck)

 

Primary use for truck (does said big oil choice shear oil and cause more frequent oil changes on a mostly street truck)

Matt, how often do you change your oil?

Mine is every 3000 miles(Delo 400).