[thetonka]

As the headline suggests, what is the max power you could get from a set of ACs? Looking for the max with what I have, and what I could get with more supporting mods(fuel, big oil, bigger turbo, bigger CAC, etc.) :rockwoot:


And yes I am trying to decide if its worth it to go ACs, or pony up and get hybrids. I know the hybrid max is way out of reach for my stock motor so if I go hybrids it would be more of a future upgrade potential.

 

[CSIPSD]

AC's with your mods... about 350-370ish... Closer to 350. Go for the hybrids...

 

[thetonka]

Do you work? oke: Are you stalking me? :supergay: If not, your a really bad influence on me. :gun:




Here is my thinking. The hybrids are WAY more money. At this point in time 350 would be just fine for me and I really can't think about stepping up to the 400+ club any time soon. There is a good chance I could put another 150K-200K on this truck before I am looking at a rebuild or new motor. By then I will need to look at new injectors anyway so if I pony up for the hybrids now I may never get to take advantage of them. If it came down to it, I am going to buy a Jeep and build a crawler before I build a big motor for the tow rig. :rockwoot:

Anyway, just curious how far I could go with the ACs and a few mods. 350hp would make me pretty happy for the next couple of years, especially if I get another 200K. :rockwoot:

 

[CSIPSD]

You would think so... but they you drive in a truck like Mikes... and then your buying forged rods... and a Nos kit... and bigger water injectors... and dual hpops... and... and ...

NO I DONT WORK...LOL

 

[thetonka]

See if I get the urge my wife just points me to the brewery and tells me to brew, that results in beer, which I drink and the upgrade urge fades away.


If that doesn't work I take out the T-Maxx and break it, upgrade parts are WAY cheaper for that little bastid than any of my other toys.

 

[DarkShadowDiesel]

why not spend the 3-400 extra for regular BDs and throw stock nozzles on with conservative programming? Jody ran those in his 02 for quite some time if i'm not mistaken. i think he was making around 360-375hp.

 

[CSIPSD]

LOL I just bought a new RC... The Tsomething... the truck one not the statium one...

 

[thetonka]

why not spend the 3-400 extra for regular BDs and throw stock nozzles on with conservative programming? Jody ran those in his 02 for quite some time if i'm not mistaken. i think he was making around 360-375hp.

Where would I get this, or how would I do this? Wouldn't BDs require a lot of oil? My thinking is that ACs would be a good interum solution for me. The truck has 237K on it and is primarily my tow rig. My hauler is close to 15K and has a lot of wind resistance.

Talking about injector choices here:
http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1290

 

[thetonka]

That would be the T-Maxx, FUN STUFF. I got a buddy who has an insane amount of RC cars.
http://www.hobby101.com/Dave's%20Cars.htm

I got to drive his Tamiya F350 crawler and his HPI buggy. The buggy is INSANE fun.

 

[DarkShadowDiesel]

Where would I get this, or how would I do this? Wouldn't BDs require a lot of oil? My thinking is that ACs would be a good interum solution for me. The truck has 237K on it and is primarily my tow rig. My hauler is close to 15K and has a lot of wind resistance.

Talking about injector choices here:
http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1290

well, DI is still showing BDs for $1999 www.diperformance.com
pretty much any sponsor can get you get regular BDs is my understanding.
you would just swap the nozzles from your A-codes. BDs actually require less oil than A-codes anyway.
a-code 7:1
b-code 6:1
hybrid 5:1
so it would seem as though b-codes with your stock 7-hole nozzles would use less oil than your current injectors and you could just have the truck tuned very conservatively.

 

[thetonka]

Problem is I have 237K on my injectors now and I don't want to assume that any part on them is good, they smoke real bad, high EGTs, and are kinda noisy. It still pulls hard tho.

BDs are definately an option, still if ACs will get me 350hp and last till I have to replace the motor, I may have to do that. Especially for almost $400 less for brand new ACs and no modding required.

 

[DarkShadowDiesel]

understandable. keep in mind the BDs are brand new as well just like ACs. i was just thinking for the $400 you could have the larger injector in the event you may rebuild. :ford:

 

[hotwheels]

well, DI is still showing BDs for $1999 www.diperformance.com
pretty much any sponsor can get you get regular BDs is my understanding.
you would just swap the nozzles from your A-codes. BDs actually require less oil than A-codes anyway.
a-code 7:1
b-code 6:1
hybrid 5:1
so it would seem as though b-codes with your stock 7-hole nozzles would use less oil than your current injectors and you could just have the truck tuned very conservatively.

AC=160cc of fuel X 7:1 = 1120cc of oil
BD=250cc of fuel X 6:1 = 1500cc of oil
BD=approx 25% MORE oil.

I'd go with the ACs. If you want a bit more power out of them get the nozzles extrude honed larger.

 

[DarkShadowDiesel]

AC=160cc of fuel X 7:1 = 1120cc of oil
BD=250cc of fuel X 6:1 = 1500cc of oil
BD=approx 25% MORE oil.

I'd go with the ACs. If you want a bit more power out of them get the nozzles extrude honed larger.

sumbitch. i stand corrected, my bad. thanks geoff.
does that change with smaller nozzles though since it would flow less fuel? wouldn't it not flow 250cc with stock 7hole PSD nozzles?

 

[hotwheels]

Well that's where you start to get more complicated with it. No it won't be able to get all that fuel out. So it will use less oil but there is no way to know just how much fuel you are getting out or how much oil you are using. If the plan is to not do anything with the injectors for another 150-200K miles then do something then I'd just get the ACs. Why spend extra money on BDs when you aren't going to be able to even come close to running them to their potential. IMHO you'd be better off buying Hybrids. You'd be able to use them better.

 

[thetonka]

Besides if I am not mistaken couldn't I turn the ACs or even the stock ADs into hybrids later with a kit from Jim at DIY?

Is there any market for a set of very used ADs?

 

[Haul_n_horses2]

Is there any market for a set of very used ADs?

You will need them as a core even buying new injectors!:lame:

 

[thetonka]

OOOH :lame:

 

[gregrob]

sumbitch. i stand corrected, my bad. thanks geoff.
does that change with smaller nozzles though since it would flow less fuel? wouldn't it not flow 250cc with stock 7hole PSD nozzles?

Geoff's chart assumes you inject all of the 250cc of fuel from the B codes. Not gonna happen with stock nozzles and conservative programming. You could max out the AC's to inject 160, or inject 160 through the BD's like a walk in the park.

A b-code will use less oil for fuel injected, than an A code.

 

[TerminatorEngineering]

A b-code will use less oil for fuel injected, than an A code.

I'm pretty sure your right. Hey, your starting to sound like Charles(not that there is anything wrong with that)!