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First ID Tuned 6.7!?

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For the last six to eight months, I've been talking to Eric @ Innovative Diesel about tunes for the 6.7. I'm a really antsy person and usually have mods sitting in my basement before I've even purchased the vehicle -- that should give you some perspective. When I initially spoke to Eric, he told me it wouldn't be too long until he'd have some tunes released. Well, it took longer than expected for various reasons -- mostly fine tuning, tweaking and working with SCT.

Last week I ordered the S&B intake from ID and Eric told me they were going to have them out within the next week. Last night I noticed on their web page that they'd released the tune and I called first thing this morning. Turns out that SCT had delayed the shipment yet again but they were supposed to receive them today. Well, Jamie called me this afternoon and told me I could come down and pick up my tuner. It was the moment that I had been waiting for, for what seemed like an eternity.

After my short little road trip down to ID, I met Jamie and Ted. They were extremely helpful in answering my questions as well as filling me in on a few details about the tunes. Due to my inability to be patient for anything, I loaded the tune in the parking lot of ID - it didn't take more than 10 minutes to do the whole thing. Due to the extremely wet weather we've had here, I chose to run it on 'street' as opposed to 'performance'.

My initial impressions...

Drive-ability is second to none. The truck starts, idles and drives like stock. Seeing as that this is my daily driver, I didn't want to have any issues with drive-ability. The trans tuning is flawless and its smoother than stock. The truck pulls hard and just keeps pulling. After talking to Eric about drive-ability, he told me that the 6.7's are built well and that I had nothing to worry about. The gas mileage has improved even though all these tunes are DPF-ON. This is something that impressed me as I've been a bit disappointed as of late because my gas mileage was in the crapper. I do mostly city driving and put on about 25k miles a year, just to give you a bit of perspective on how much I drive the truck. Overall, the truck has only gotten better. The tunes are smooth and tweaked perfectly -- you wouldn't even know it was tuned, it's that smooth. Couldn't be happier with the customer service from Eric and the team at ID. Great guys to deal with and look forward to giving them more business in the future.
 
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At the moment, Eric has decided to not release any DPF off tunes due to the liability and the ongoing EPA debacle regarding emissions control devices.

These trucks are making great power with the DPF on and from what I heard directly from Eric, the 6.7 on the performance tune makes 438/1011. That's really not bad for a truck that still has the DPF intact. While I was very excited to remove the DPF, I'm completely comfortable with leaving it on so long as the truck makes adequate power -- which it does.

The one point which Eric raised was that dealers will not only look for the tune via their OBD equipment but also just simply by looking at the hardware which connects the DPF to the other parts of the exhaust system. If the hardware looks marred or damaged, they'll draw the conclusion that you've tampered with the DPF. I've fought with dealers before over blown turbos due to chip tuning and I'm done fighting those battles. That's another reason why I'm happy with the DPF on tune, it's just one less bullet for the dealership to use should problems arise.
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
Thanks for the feedback! The Torq2 and custom tunes are a great combination. You'll have on the fly power and great power and mileage gains.
anytime guys! good meeting y'all on Tuesday! I'll be picking up the torq2 in the near future!


If that works, can I borrow your address when I place my order LOL
I'll split shipping with you... LOL

Just to add to this, I took out Shop truck 2011 ScLb up there and got a best of 17mpg on the way up with some traffic and crusing at about 65-70 and after putting it on the performance tune averaged about 19-20 with a little more traffic and still cruising at 65-70, its about a 60 mile drive, def felt alot stronger and smoother, Thanks Eric!
I was seeing around 19mpg on the way home with the truck in 'street' mode. I'll be trying it in 'performance' mode today on the way up to NJ.

I really hadn't a chance to push it because the macadam has been so damp, but last night I found a nice dry area to really stand on it. Holy #### does it move. :eek:
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
Purchase Here!

The price is 649 + Shipping [if you click above, it's a direct link]. From what I've heard/read and learned from Eric, these don't really leave much of a footprint/signature in the ECU. The great thing about ID/SCT is that before you load the tune onto your truck, the tuner downloads the stock file onto the programmer. Thus, if you want to return the truck back to stock, it's as simple as loading it back onto the ECU and you're good to go. I would assume that using a DPF Off program would actually be more detectable because you're changing/tweaking more. The DPF On tunes are simply load and go!

Finally had a chance to put the truck into 'performance' and drive it on the highway as well as around town. First impressions are: it doesn't really feel neck breaking fast, but it is. The trucks are so damn smooth that you don't even realize how fast you're going or how quickly you get there... The trans tuning is amazing and I would have to say that it's my favorite part. It made me realize how ####ty the factory trans tuning was and how much of an improvement there is over stock. I drove the truck to and from NJ yesterday and averaged 19.8mpg with not even a single regen!
 
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Actually, I do have an update. I purchased the Torq2 from ID last week and was excited to install it but ran into a slight hiccup. I had an oil pressure sender problem with the truck so I took it to the dealer and they took care of everything. On my work request, I also put down that the truck had hard shifting in 3rd and 5th gear. The dealer updated my TCM software (and possibly my ECU firmware/software) which in turn, made my flash not usable.

After speaking with Eric, he said that SCT did not have the most recent tables so he was unable to create a tune for the new updates which I had installed by the dealer -- that was last week. Eric shot me an email tonight saying that he had my new tunes completed and I will be getting a tune specifically for use with the Torq2 on the highest settings. When I have this tune, I will be sure to post a full review of the differences between the various tune levels.

Overall, I couldn't be happier with the service and support I've received from Eric, Ted, Jamie & everyone at Innovative Diesel. It's customer service and support like this that has made me a customer for life. Why can't all companies be like this?
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
Couple of updates...

Yesterday I came out to find a pink puddle on the ground. Turns out I blew one of the seals on the radiator. Took it to the dealer and they're installing a new one on Monday. Dealer was nice enough to give me two jugs of pre-mixed coolant.

After that, I made the trip down to innovative diesel to get my x3 updated with the new tunes for the most recent release of the Ford firmware. The new tunes I received were xtreme street, torq2 and tow. Since I have yet to install my torq2, I just put it on xtreme street. Once again, Eric & the guys at IDP have killed it. The tune is flawless throughout the range and it pulls extremely hard. Last night I was getting on it and it down shifted to third and broke the tires loose. The power is amazing and it's butter smooth.

I'll be installing the torq2 on Tuesday and will update late next week as I want to see how good the mileage is the the torq2 program + torq2. Eric said it's supposed to be the program which will yield the best mileage.
 
Discussion starter · #21 ·
:::UPDATE:::

Got my truck back yesterday from the dealer after the seal on the rear radiator broke and caused a leak. tech said it was a pain in the ass as the whole front end of the truck had to come off.

After signing all the paperwork, I returned to my shop and installed the torq2 + torq2 tune, 2wd lip, recon clearance lights, LED turn signal lights, 3rd brake light and the Innovative Diesel lexan S&B Filter cover. It was definitely an action packed afternoon, that's for damn sure.

Before I really crack into a full write up of the torq2 + torq2 tune (will be abbreviated t2), it's been pissing here for the last 48hrs so I haven't really had a chance to crack on it and give it a true shakedown. My initial impressions are as follows… The truck has been through three different tunes: street, xtreme street and t2. Out of all the of them, the t2 tune is by far the fastest and snappiest tune. The throttle response is simply unmatched and the power is ridiculous. Just driving around yesterday, the tires wanted to break loose at any chance they had. It's just that powerful and still emissions legal! There was one chance for me to really mash on it while entering the highway and before I knew it, I was pegged at 100. The truck is very street-able as well as perfect for those moments when you have a point to prove. Definitely wouldn't hesitate to pick up the torq2 and the tuner. It'll change you life, give you better gas mileage as well as fewer regens. Even with the various tunes I've had, my regens are about 1/4 of what they used to be and the truck is so much smoother. There is one thing I would like to draw to those who have the tune and those who are looking to purchase… Until the truck reaches 190ºF, you will have torque truncation in effect. Truncation limits the amount of torque that the motor can generate and thus, it will cut your power if the truck is not up to operating temperature. Nothing to be alarmed about, just something to keep in mind when you're out there beating around.


Overall, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the torq2 + tuner. Even if you just buy the tuner and throw it on xtreme street, you won't be disappointed. Eric and the team at IDP have shown consistent dedication to providing the best customer service in the industry. Eric is now hard at work with custom tuning and expanding the device line up for the 6.7 tunes. Hopefully we'll see the iTSX here soon! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask!

Here are some pics:







 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
Very cool! I am torn between Eric's tuning and Spartan. I ran Eric's tunes on my 6.0 and it was great. Spartan has started to become more prevalent as well. I know either way I will be happy. I can't wait to see how this performs for you down the road.
Honestly, with the way the EPA is cracking down on everything, I'd go IDP. Not worth the risk of being fined or having issues down the road.

Hey Buck...does the tq2 tune feel the same as the tow tune (with or without the tq2). In other words, is it the same tune with a different name or is it different altogether?
From what I understand the torq2 tune is slightly different than than the tow tune but not by much at all. The torq2 tune is the tow tune renamed with a few minor changes. Eric told me there isn't much variation at all.

and how is that going to perform up here where it gets really cold?
Why would it perform any differently?

Excellent! Thanks for posting your feedback...sound exactly like what I am looking for. Eric can pay you the commission when I place my order...

Brett
You're welcome, Brett. Just want to help get the word out there since H&S/Spartan have been dominating the forum with their tunes consistently. I think people ought to know that Eric is making similar power while keeping the truck emissions legal.

Yeah I second that pretty sure I am going to go full delete H&S cause looks Like no delete tunes from innovative
Withe the EPA consistently cracking down, IDP is still on the fence about the delete tunes.

Speaking of placing an order, just saw this on IDP's Facebook this morning.


Good deal there! $100 off with the combo.

Glad your liking your truck as much as I do Buck!
That's a great deal for the tuner + torq2!

Love my truck even more than I used to!
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
Just a quick update....

Went to visit my girlfriend tonight and got a chance to really do a thorough shakedown. This tune is purely insane! The power is incredible and the delivery is butter smooth. Don't hesitate to take advantage of the holiday special!
 
Discussion starter · #34 ·
Very nice!

Put the tuner on the torq2 tune or the tow tune (whichever you have pre-loaded) and enjoy! Just beware that if you put it on extreme street with the torq2, you will probably get torq truncation and rail pressure codes.
 
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I was having a little torque truncation with my tuner on torq2 with the torq2 turned all the way up. He removed most of it, but he told me to keep an eye on it. It was fully removed once the oil temp hit 190. He's working on revising the tune to remove it completely.
 
Discussion starter · #43 ·
If I could keep my foot out of it, I'm sure it'd be better. I'm seeing around 16mpg in the city and 20mpg on the highway. I'll report back next week when I drive it like I normally do and not like madman.
 
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Well I must say I am really impressed with erics tunes for my 6.7,I was deleted with the spartan and switched to dpf on tunes.. Erics shifting is spot on compared to the spartan and the mpg is better with the dpf on compared to the deleted spartan. If you are on the ropes about tuning dnt be afraid to go with erics tuning. The the spartan was a little faster compared to the x street I'm running now I prefer this over the spartan by far. On a side note you can depend on Eric if a problem occurs!
game. set. match.
 
Discussion starter · #56 ·
Sorry, haven't updated in a minute...

The tuning is still smooth as all get out and the shifts are extremely crisp. I drive the truck every day and have zero complaints about the tuning. My mileage on winter diesel here in PA is 16.9mpg on average, that's almost all city driving too. Eric should be releasing the new Torq2 in the next two months. Other than that, I'm headed down to IDP to solve an issue that my truck seems to have developed. Before you get skeptical and worrisome, this issue is my truck, not the tune. It has zero to do with the tune and the dealer cannot seem to 'replicate it'. I'm seeking Eric's help to track down this problem and get it fixed since my dealer is incapable of tracking down this problem. Also, the iTSX platform should be dropping in the next two months as well, keep an eye out for that!
 
Discussion starter · #62 ·
Well just purchased Eric's tuner! Wats everyone running for strictly fuel mileage gains for power stetting and hints tips for running this programmer ? Thanks in advance
When I didn't have the TORQ2, I ran it on Xtreme Street. It's still a bat outta hell.

so it might be a good idea to hold off on buying the torq2 or the sct tuner since something new is comming out? Also I had Erics tunes on my 6.0 but I also had a egr delete turbo back exhaust and intake. Im not wanting to do the delete so im looking into getting this set up both the torq2 and the sct im just not wanting to be disappoionted. thanks for any feedback
Well, that's debatable. SCT has not yet released the iTSX platform for the 6.7 and from what Eric told me last week, it's still a ways out from releasing. I don't think you'll be disappointed, ever. Seems that most people running DPF off tunes on the 6.7 are pushing boost close to (and upwards of in some cases) 30-35psi. Eric's tune doesn't raise boost much at all, maybe 1-2psi, if that. For the most part, Eric's tunes achieve higher power through fueling, torque/power management, and other methods. I was very much on the fence about getting a tune and when I met with Eric for the first time, he explained to me that his tunes were safe and reliable. While they might be somewhat conservative, they turn these trucks into monsters. By no means are Eric's tunes mild on power or torque. Rather than push these motors to their limits, Eric sought power through other methods as opposed to just cranking up the boost.

mine should ber here wed. i already have the original t2 so im going to stack. hope all goes well, should i turn the knob lil ly little after a few miles or right off the bat??
Run it on the TORQ2 tune only if you plan on stacking the TORQ2. If you run it on Street or Xtreme Street, you will get rail pressure codes.

got my stuff in wed. and as i went to install found the pcm number was not supported, phoned IDP and gave them the new info and the next day they sent me the tunes to download.

downloading custom tunes was easy, i had already done it on a 6.0, but for some reason was having a lil trouble loading the torq2 program, said something like algorithim(sp) something, clicked on steet,xtreme and no problem, went to load torq2 again and it accepted it this time, makes me wonder if all went through correctly.

the following were done with about 10 miles of driving normal and with a lead foot.
i already had the t2 adjusted to about halfway when i loaded the t2 program. well lets just say i drove it and it did break the tire loose alot easier so i guess it has more power, then i adjusted the t2 knob all the way, did not feel any trunction but it was already warmed up. again it felt the same as half way turned or all the way turned.
we will see what it brings with a few hundred miles on it, maybe the better gas mileage will be sufficient as im only getting 13.5 since the day i bought it, but thats my normal driving habit and im not changing just gotta get deeper pockets.

again these wer initial results, ill report back after a few. thanks guys for the help making a decision on a tuner.
Glad you're happy with your purchase. Sounds like everything went through correctly!

With regard to an update on my truck, here's what's been going on...

Last I posted, I was having some small quirks with the truck. Couldn't really pinpoint what it was as I'm not a diesel tech. Therefore, I took the truck into two different dealers and had them look at for fueling issues and transmission issues. Both dealers reported back that the truck was operating as it was designed. After setting up a few tests on my own, I came to the conclusion that the issues I had were related to torque truncation and maximum speed. If you saw my latest thread on the TORQ 2.1, you know that I paid a visit to IDP to pick up my TORQ2.1. When I was down at IDP, I asked Eric if he could reload my tuner with the newest and most up-to-date tunes he had on file for the truck.

Eric assured me that the tunes I had on my tuner were the latest tunes. However, after digging into the tune I had on my tuner, the speed governor was still intact. Why? Who the hell knows. There are two different governors in place on these trucks one in KPH and one in MPH. Seems the MPH governor was still set at 98mph. Eric told me that the MPH setting shouldn't matter as the truck doesn't monitor maximum speed in MPH, it actually does it in KPH. Either way, he changed the MPH speed governor and that issue is now gone...

The other issue I was having with torque truncation is gone from what I can tell. What I did notice is that if I really want to romp on the truck, I have to turn the advance trac off. After running a few more tests, it seems that to take full advantage of the power the tune is adding, you pretty much have to run with the advance trac off. I'm also convinced that the newest firmware flash Ford is running on these motors is to blame for the small 'quirks' that I've been having. Eric actually tried to flash my truck with an earlier flash as that is a version that we both know worked very well and had no 'quirks' what-so-ever. However, the truck didn't like that, so we reverted to the latest firmware/flash version.

The reflash of the Xtreme Street tune that I received last week is phenomenal. Eric is truly an excellent tuner and knows these trucks inside and out. The power delivery is smooth, the shift pattern is brilliant and overall, it's a blast to drive. I've also noticed an increase in gas mileage with the reflash!

I can't say enough great things about Eric, Ted, Jamie & everyone at IDP. Their level of service and commitment to their customers and their products is unmatched. They truly are dedicated to what they're doing and they go above and beyond in every aspect of customer service. If I had to do it all over again, I would still go with IDP. While some say that they want DPF-off tuning, I don't really think the DPF-on tuning is underpowered or weak by any stretch of the imagination.

Cheers,
Buck
 
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