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I installed a Jelibuilt stage 1 kit along with their tuning earlier this week. When I romp on it hard, it will stop building boost around 26psi and fall on its face. I thought I blew off a rubber boot the first time it happened. Ive made it do it several times since. It runs fine afterwards, it just doesn't like to be heavy on the throttle. Fuel system is stock. It does it on all tunes, even the daily driver and economy tunes. Any ideas? Below are the components I installed.

The Stage 1 package is perfect for those who plan to tow heavy loads frequently or looking for a small jump in power and MPG over a basic modified 7.3L. You can expect to make 375-400 HP with this setup.


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Ideal for heavy towing and better economy. Stage 1 Full Force injectors.



This is a journal bearing turbo with a Borg Warner 300sxe Style turbine wheel, modified to fit inside a drop in ready obs turbo. This turbo will surprise you at how well it runs! We have torture tested it for longevity and proven its capability on the dyno.
 

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Right off the top of my head I would say that you have a fuel problem and need to go to a electric fuel system
 
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of the top of my head i will say you are over boosting the engine, and the truck is defueling to prevent damage.
26 is way too high, they tend to defuel at around 21-22 PSI.
you need to install a boost fooler set to around 19 PSI to trick the computer into thinking you are only making max 19 PSI boost.
 

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And I'll be the guy that says it could be both what Bugman and 1970something said (unless you've already gone to efuel). Cheers!
 
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I believe I can see fuel pressure on my Edge CTS monitor. What pressure is "too low"? I will have to keep an eye on it.

Right off the top of my head I would say that you have a fuel problem and need to go to a electric fuel system
of the top of my head i will say you are over boosting the engine, and the truck is defueling to prevent damage.
26 is way too high, they tend to defuel at around 21-22 PSI.
you need to install a boost fooler set to around 19 PSI to trick the computer into thinking you are only making max 19 PSI boost.
And I'll be the guy that says it could be both what Bugman and 1970something said (unless you've already gone to efuel). Cheers!
 

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When does he need studs. I'd think 26 psi of boost is getting real close.

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once again.....MAP sensor will defuel the engine at around 21-22 PSI boost. as long as it sees over that, the engine will defuel. i make 26-28 PSI boost all the time in my 02. but the small air pressure regulator before the MAP sensor is set at 19 PSI, so it never defuels.
 

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OBS version of 7.3 when boosted above (iirc) 24 psi, will confuse the PCM as signal is “out of range”. This out of range will cause the PCM to revert to static tables stored (for MAP sensor failures), rather than using the dynamic tables as the PCM gets confused due to out of range values. In effect the results are de-fueling, whereas the SD 7.3s actually de-fuel, if “over boosted”. Boost fooler is a good idea, some programmers will by pass this feature as I recall, but to be on conservative side I’d install one.
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When does he need studs. I'd think 26 psi of boost is getting real close.

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Yes. If your intentions are to push the boost to 24-26+ PSI. And bypassing controls designed specifically to prevent serious damage to this engine. Ford pushed International over the years of production of the 7.3L PSD to get all they could out of this moter. So that they would have the Bragging rights in the diesel truck circles. So don't you know that the during the engineering process International tore up truck loads of 7.3 engines to find the limits on boost pressure. And then as a safety factor, as mentioned above, they programmed the ECM to start the defueling process aroud 21-22 to help protect itsself. As Ford didn't want to get famous for selling 7.3L diesel trucks with a bad record of blowing head gaskets.

Ask me how I know? ARP was next on my list of upgrades when I got to where I could find time to do it. But I knew everything about my truck Since I bought it new, my first new vevicle ever, I knew every breath it had taken. And I knew what its limits were. And had three 3-gauge pods to monitor everything that was going on.

Other than an early minor recall no one touched my truck. And after 18 years of having fun and upgrading it I got complacent. At 200k miles I decided to rebuild the entire front end. Upgraded all the ball joints, tie-rod ends, stabilizer bar, new hubs and bearings, new big brake rotors. Everything. I measured everything precisely and put all the new parts on precisely as they came off. But just to make me feel better I drove the back roads to the 4wd drive shop to get it aligned. It drove like a new truck.

I got there and as soon as I saw them take it back I thought oh ****! Those guys will figure out pretty quick it is not a stock truck. I had the tuner up one notch above dailly driver. But if they new or figured out what that knob was next to sterring wheel there are three more notches up. An I had not even taking it there. I fretted about saying something and bringing attention about it. Or thought nah they wouldn't notice or if did surely wouldn't go out and trash it. WRONG!

Finally said truck was ready, I walked out to my truck, and a young skinny, goofy kid, messed up teeth, and pin-pointed pupils, cames waking up to me and says, no kidding, "Man you got a bad azz truck!" I thought great just what I feared. As soon as I cranked it up it fired up and miised right off. I thought, welll ,I never shut it down until EGTS are below 300. He just shut it off hot.

Got home and parked it in my shop, where it lives. And I had been under last two weekends. Went inside and had dinner. Came back out grabbed a light and creeper to check and make sure they didn't leave something undone. And Damn! I had oil on the floor coming from rear of engine. And coolant on the floor coming from both end caps of the radiator. I don't tolerate leaks. And definitly no leaks before I left.

I repaired. Next six months I had to replace degass tank, water pump, oil cooler. All the while diagonising myself and with a number of other diiesel mechanisc and shops. Until was convinced what I thought when I first brought it home. Stretched head bolts. As every time I fixed something it ran great No issue. However, every failure I had I was towing. Whether it was tractor, boat, even my Gator or Sea-Doos. As it only built up just enough pressure in the cylinders when pulling a load. Just enough to ease the head off the block to over presureize either the oil or coolant jacket. I don't guess anyone has yet figured out the demize of my perfect 02 7.3/ PSD.?

Sorry guys, I should really get some help. I get mad every time I think about it! So, I currently have freshly rebuilt 7.3L bored 20 over with a lot more goodies than before and....ARP studs and rod bolts. Still on the engine stand Finshed detailing the engine compartment. Actually went to put it in a couple weeks ago and got about 6"s to having it in but engine hoist was hitting cowl. So put it back on the stand so I could adjust and get a different grip. But since then had all kind of things come up and haven't got a chance to get back out there.

Oh, the only good thing, or one of the good things, that came out of all of this. After the six months of fixing and repairing my 02 7.3L my wife was feeling pretty bad about it. So it was around Christmas in 2019 and she said something about it was time to let it go. And I should look to find another truck. I don't quite remember excatly what she said but I heard new truck. So on 12/29/2019 I had a new 2019 SCA Black Widow Edition F250 6.7L 4wd in the driveway. Before she had a chance to change her mind!

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Oh..Think Stage 2 Turbo and injector upgrades and....BOOST FOOLER! = Strectched Head Bolts
 

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...and says, no kidding, "Man you got a bad azz truck!" I thought great just what I feared...
Condolences, must be hard to share the killer traumatic experience, and on first post even!

Reinforces the rule that when in doubt, always make it clear; write it on the service order: No test drive takes place without me in the passenger seat (or at least in the vehicle).
 
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