The best is the one you got. Why get dp if you don't like it or want to try others tunes your stuck, most of the others use the same chip. Something was said about hearing your rods escape...lol

 

What??

 

With DP's new chip, you can run others tunes.

 

this is my delemma the dp is $600 and the dpp chip is $350

 

I got the f8! I love it. You dont have to fill all the spots. Get a couple tunes and then later add some more. I got fast idle, 60tow, 120 race, and 140agg! Great people to deal with. I live a couple counties away from them. Ordered the chip on Thursday around lunch and had it Friday! DP tuner gets my vote!

 

Just FYI... Darrell's 6 position chip uses Bill's (PHP) tunes. Great price, too -- his is less expensive than ours.

 

So what tuners that are vendors on PSN and elsewhere for that matter are putting tunes on the F8 other than DP?

Beans
Swamps
Gearhead
DI
PHP
etc

which ones

 

This is not very hard. Pick a tuner NOT A CHIP. Then run the chip that tuner recommends. If there is a choice then decide. The tuners programs not the chip is what matters.

 

OK. How to pick the tuner? Is there anything quantitative that we can use for selection? So far, I have seen a lot of criteria but mostly subjective criteria.

Also, do they have a "trial feature"? If not, you will be getting say 5 or 6 "60HP Tow Tunes" and paying for the privilege of trying them out only to keep 1 and discard the others.

 

For others to put tunes on them? I think that is why the F8 was created as the F6 did not. Strictly DP. Thats what I understood at least.

 

I would think there would be a way to translate a tune into it. Maybe Moates knows.

 

You still have to buy the chip. Tunes are not exactly $$$$. Sorry I am not going down this road. Its nothing but a pissing match with no bottom. How do you pick a engine builder or a injector builder or home renovator?

 

You still have to buy the chip. Tunes are not exactly $$$$. Sorry I am not going down this road. Its nothing but a pissing match with no bottom.

How do you pick a engine builder or a injector builder or home renovator?

Say a tune is $30. Try out 5 tunes of a similar class (say 80 Econo) and you will find your favorite, toss the rest. Your 80E tune selection just cost you $150.

I picked say Lingenfelter for my GM based on his warranty. Why? Because of the major engine builders, I can't find anything quantitative to separate him from the rest of the good builders. He had a 2yr 24K warranty.

BTS or JW? BTS has been known to fix the trans without time limit. Nobody has come forward to say JW has fixed it for free outside warranty. But lets say if you stepped forward and guaranteed me that if I bought a JW, you'd cover it forever, I'd probably toss a coin to choose a builder or go with BTS because he bought me a sandwich platter for lunch. Quantifiable stuff gone, start picking the non quantifiable heap.

Home renovator? Check price. Get a group that is reasonably close. Too high and you are screwing me. Too low and there is usually a reason for your desperation. Get the pile of those that are close and middle of the road and see if they have any way to stand up above the crowd. IF not, pick a random one.

 

Oh there is a way. I am certain Moates could do it as well but I am sure that is bound by contract not to. Not to mention any security can be circumvented. Same goes for the F6 or the TS chips.

 

Is there really any security for the TS chips? I know that for GM chips, Jim Formato was rewiring them so that Joe Schmoe couldn't read it. If you understood the structure of the IC Chip, you'd know how to activate it. His wife Eileen was surprised that Brian Ebert from HiTechMotorsport could read it but that was a few years ago.

Still, I'm not clear why anyone would care. After all, if you can tear the code apart, I would think that you could probably DIY. IF you can't, the best you can do is make copies of it which brings it back to the level of Hyperjunk or Superchips. One size fits all.

 

Not really security in the sense of encryption or the like. The security is basically that you can not thru normal means use a burner pull tunes or read tunes once they are on a chip. This is also why most tuners will not send you very popular tunes even if you have a burner.

I can not imagine why TS has not bothered to update this very old design chip. One that allows USB PC upload that had encryption based on serial number even vehicle vin. It would allow basically all the functions of the F6. IMO there is no need for increase in memory space for more tunes. 6 is way more than most use anyways but it could also be done. I would not care as long as there was no substantial cost increase incurred becasue of it. It could also allow any tuners with the software to write tunes for it once the owner of the chip gave the serial number or vin. That way chips woudl not be tuner coded only the tunes themselves. A person could off load upload as they saw fit. Back up tunes on storage media or a laptop etc.. Even all this is super old tech. They just need proper motivation to do it.

 

Not really security in the sense of encryption or the like. The security is basically that you can not thru normal means use a burner pull tunes or read tunes once they are on a chip. This is also why most tuners will not send you very popular tunes even if you have a burner.

I can not imagine why TS has not bothered to update this very old design chip. One that allows USB PC upload that had encryption based on serial number even vehicle vin. It would allow basically all the functions of the F6. IMO there is no need for increase in memory space for more tunes. 6 is way more than most use anyways but it could also be done. I would not care as long as there was no substantial cost increase incurred becasue of it. It could also allow any tuners with the software to write tunes for it once the owner of the chip gave the serial number or vin. That way chips woudl not be tuner coded only the tunes themselves. A person could off load upload as they saw fit. Back up tunes on storage media or a laptop etc.. Even all this is super old tech. They just need proper motivation to do it.

They did update the chip about 4 years ago. If you look at the newer ones and the older ones. The new ones have a longer "tail" to them. I beileve it was to get away from the old issue of defaulting to the #1 setting.

I think the biggest issue with the F-8 is the "conversion" of the files from what ever "tuner A" sends to what ever is loaded onto the F-8...

I dont want my tunes being "converted" from anything, other then what they came to me as.

 

Just pick one that best suite your needs. Also customer service is a good thing.

 

Just tuners playing games.
I didnt think the ts plaform has any great security feAture.
In the end all chips have to speak something that ford pcm understands.

So who ever said the f8 is less secure is full of bull larkey, they just dont want to do it
And gave a lame excuse to sound better.

 

Just tuners playing games.
I didnt think the ts plaform has any great security feAture.
In the end all chips have to speak something that ford pcm understands.

So who ever said the f8 is less secure is full of bull larkey, they just dont want to do it
And gave a lame excuse to sound better.

Friends of friends who are top software engineers in the country have tried to hack the F8 security for sucking off programs per our request and have not been successful.

 

Now idea, strategy stealing is what they are protecting.
If you could format it and send blank chips well yes, but your gona be stuck with one tuner.
So no
Dp ebpv tune, with a tw tow, di drag ,bean extrem, and swamp street tune
Elite econo all on one chip.

 

The big problem is that it is not possible to just erase one position and reburn one position on a TS-6. The whole thing has to be erased and all 6 positions have to be burned....no way around that.

So what this means is that if you want 6 different tunes from 6 different "tuners", the files will have to be read and saved by 5 different people....the last in line getting all 5 previous calibrations saved to his computer. There may be a little bit of an issue with privacy and trust at that point.

 

Nothing is hackproof just not worth the effort.
Or cost of the man hours or equip to do it.

Could always get tom cruise to bust out of your ac vent at midnight and steal your super secret decoder ring. But he would have to remove it under the sleeping minature poodle locked in the safe

 

If all "calibration engineers" made their tunes exactly the same, there would be no need for privacy. People who do the tuning do what they do because they have an idea of how they want a truck to run. If I wanted my truck to run the same as Jonathan's, Jody's, Matt's, Chris', David's, Tony's or even Bill's, then there would be something to gain by copying their individual tuning styles. However (and this may come as a shock), I don't even agree with everything Bill does.....believe it or not.

Point of the matter is that everyone has different tastes in how they think a truck should run/shift. Pick a "tuner" and go with it. If you don't like it, give them a chance or two to fix it to your liking. If they can't or won't fix it, then give somebody else a shot. Easy peasy.

 

I can not imagine why TS has not bothered to update this very old design chip.

Because it's simple and it works. No need to reinvent the wheel here.

In using the word "update", it kind of reminds me of a story that goes a little something like this:

Windows XP to Windows Vista.

Why cause problems for yourself when there's no need to replace something that works?

 

If there is a programming error, stuff can happen. It is done by a computer so anything is possible. There are times when my computer will completely botch a burn.....and I only use the TS format.

However, Bank 1 (where all of the tuning is done) doesn't change. The bank 1 binary for a given tune on chip brands A, B, and C is identical...simply the location in the assembled file is different.

 

Diane, I just emailed you with the info you wanted. If the info stated is incorrect please inform the other tuners.

 

Jody,

I was going to say earlier (but forgot)....

Verification is key. A good practice is to burn the chip and check it. It takes a bit more time, but it sure beats getting the chip returned because the truck won't start. Been there, done that.


Good call, sir!

 

Very true and that is another wonderful feature of the F8 just load the tunes in the list select auto verify and select "Write ALL". Go get a cup of coffee or start back on emails.

Jody

 

Maybe he'll listen to you. Oh, the TS 224K structure is 8,1,0,9.

 

Yes thanks Cody I fat fingered it. Trying to get things done and head out to visit my Dad.

 

If there is no encryption to protect the intellectual property of the tuners and the chips have to still be mailed back and forth, what is the point of using a different universal chip other than the TS? That is after all the main weakness of the TS chip.

 

Here you go

 

Cool thread, what started out as almost a pissing contest, has turned into a pretty educational thread. Lets keep it up.

 

The number 2 tune sounds like all my tunes other than high idle. Is that engine cold?

 

Well maybe you should check under your hood....you might have a Duramax in there and not even no it.