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I was looking at my 7.3 I have sitting on the ground and noticed that the plate on the block that the trans mounts to is removable. I know they put these engines in everything from generators to dump trucks so it kind of makes me wonder what kind of crazy transmission you could put behind it.

I imagine if I found a 4x4 school bus or bucket truck or dump truck I could take a trans out of one of those and take all the clutch/converter parts and the back plate off the engine and put whatever trans I wanted to in the truck so long as it fits under the cab. Would be a great remedy for the stupid E4OD.

Anybody tried this? I know this is not the trans forum but it seems to me like the idi's have this and the others dont.
 

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anything that is i believe SAE#2 will bolt on.
i once drove a 10 yard international dump truck with a 7.3 IDI and a 13 speed road ranger in it.
 

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Yeah that's what I'm talking about. Have a 13 speed F-350. How cool would that be.
 

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for someone that don't drive, maybe it is cool.
but ask any pro driver, and all their personal vehicles are automatic trans.
i shift gears for 10-12 hours every day. the last thing i want to do is shift a damn trans to go home.
 

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I was looking at my 7.3 I have sitting on the ground and noticed that the plate on the block that the trans mounts to is removable. I know they put these engines in everything from generators to dump trucks so it kind of makes me wonder what kind of crazy transmission you could put behind it.

I imagine if I found a 4x4 school bus or bucket truck or dump truck I could take a trans out of one of those and take all the clutch/converter parts and the back plate off the engine and put whatever trans I wanted to in the truck so long as it fits under the cab. Would be a great remedy for the stupid E4OD.

Anybody tried this? I know this is not the trans forum but it seems to me like the idi's have this and the others dont.
When electronic control systems were first perfected, they were electronic engine controls only. They made sequential fuel injection possible, engines made more horsepower with better fuel mileage. In the late eighties, electronic controls expanded to the transmission all in one computer control system. Your IDI has one. That complicated any kind of swap. 13 speeds would totally confuse the computer via a few sensors... :D

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When electronic control systems were first perfected, they were electronic engine controls only. They made sequential fuel injection possible, engines made more horsepower with better fuel mileage. In the late eighties, electronic controls expanded to the transmission all in one computer control system. Your IDI has one. That complicated any kind of swap. 13 speeds would totally confuse the computer via a few sensors... :D

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really ???

i have never ever seen an ford IDI diesel with an engine control computer.
all you need to make an IDI run is 12 volts to the fuel shutoff switch in the injector pump.
 

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When electronic control systems were first perfected, they were electronic engine controls only. They made sequential fuel injection possible, engines made more horsepower with better fuel mileage. In the late eighties, electronic controls expanded to the transmission all in one computer control system. Your IDI has one. That complicated any kind of swap. 13 speeds would totally confuse the computer via a few sensors... :D

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in these year truck (idi 7.3) the computer you speak of only operates the trans. so if you delete the electronically controlled e4od,then you delete the tcm. problem solved. the newer trucks with electronic engines is tougher. but its done on a dailey basis.
 

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really ???

i have never ever seen an ford IDI diesel with an engine control computer.
all you need to make an IDI run is 12 volts to the fuel shutoff switch in the injector pump.
The earlist computer control was called MCU. After that, Electronic Engine Control is what Ford named all computer systems on all models. The IDI system is EEC IV, short for electronic engine controls 4. The 7.3L IDI's with automatic transmissions have the 4th generation electronic engine control system computer on board, with power train controls and sensors integrated into it. In 1995 EEC V came out and was used for electronic controls including the direct injection system on the Powerstroke diesels.

Your Correct, the 7.3L IDI system doesn't control fuel injection directly. One of the things it does do is monitor throttle position with a sensor. If it's out of adjustment or goes bad, a 7.3L IDI either won't start or won't run very smoothly. The tach won't work right either, if it should go bad the IDI will run erratically also.

Nitro Blazer's E4OD transmission is short for Electronic 4 speed Over Drive transmission. The computer control system uses data from sensors, including brakes, throttle position, engine temperature, vehicle speed and more to determine when the E4OD shifts and to control torque converter clutch lock up. The Torque Converter Clutch is the E4OD's fifth gear. When applied, the engine is directly connected to the transmission via the flexplate, the same as a 5 speed manual transmission does via a dry clutch and flywheel. The E4OD then has the same efficency for fuel mileage as a 5 speed manual transmission has, without shifting a manual shifter all day and on the way home.
Your computer's connector can be found on the drivers side firewall. It's a large connector with a bolt in the center. The idi's have a diagnostic connector to read computer codes under the hood nearby. It should have a removable cap on it. Inside the cab by the emergency brake is where the computer is located.
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nope, you are thinking of a powerstroke. the idi only has a trans computer. the throttle is cable controlled. and there is no computer at all if you have a C-6 trans or a manual trans. the CEL is only triggered by two things on these engines. low oil pressure, or high coolant temperature.
 

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nope, you are thinking of a powerstroke. the idi only has a trans computer. the throttle is cable controlled. and there is no computer at all if you have a C-6 trans or a manual trans. the CEL is only triggered by two things on these engines. low oil pressure, or high coolant temperature.
OK, call it a transmission computer if you like, instead of the Ford name for it. Good info on the CEL's, but they are triggered by the same computer we are now calling a transmission computer. :D

The 7.3L engines in all F-250 and F-350's could have either the E4OD or the manual transmisson only. The F-450 cab and chasis from 1992-? had a C-6 transmission option and so did the E series. Bad fuel mileage, but a few were made.

On a Powerstroke your throttle position sensor is inside the cab. It's part of the pedal assembly. On the IDI it's on the fuel injection pump lever and there is a Ford special service tool used to adjust it. Have used the tool a few times. The sensor was called FIPL for short. FIPL sensors only came on IDI's. Your IDI engine also has a barometric sensor. The Powerstroke version is a map/baro sensor. We had a 93 F-350 7.3L IDI diesel and a 94 F-350 IDI 7.3L factory turbo diesel. Both IDI 7.3L F-350's had the E4OD. They had the above sensors and a few others on them. :D The 94 7.3L turbo diesel had engine code K. The 7.3L Powerstroke diesel debuted as a 1994 1/2 model, engine code F.

Anyway, since the thread is about Crazy swaps, can anyone add some tech info about swaps? What would the original poster need to accomplish his swap? Would he be able to just disconnect his computer, and run 12V to his injection pump? Or is his ignition switch and speed control (if he has the optional speed control) and even more wired into the computers circuits?

Or can anyone who has actually done a tranny swap add some technical information to the thread? Or add names of suppliers or vendors who sell stuff needed for a tranny swap to the thread?

Can anyone post some actual technical info who has finished a swap or 2 ? Or tech from a crazy swap finished or not?

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nope, the C-6 trans was an option until 1996 with gas engines, i am not sure when they stopped with the diesel but i know you could still get it in 94..
i had 8 F-350 4X4's with auto transmissions that i used for my escort service. 1 88, 2 89's, 2 90's, 2 91's and 1 92, all with 7.3 idi and all with the C-6 trans. none had any type of computer at all in them, and my partner at the body shop had a 94 IDI with a C-6 with no computer.
i purposely ordered the C-6 just so i did not have to deal with the problems of the overdrive trans

the FIPL is only used on overdrive transmissions, not on the C-6
 

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nope, the C-6 trans was an option until 1996 with gas engines, i am not sure when they stopped with the diesel but i know you could still get it in 94..
i had 8 F-350 4X4's with auto transmissions that i used for my escort service. 1 88, 2 89's, 2 90's, 2 91's and 1 92, all with 7.3 idi and all with the C-6 trans. none had any type of computer at all in them, and my partner at the body shop had a 94 IDI with a C-6 with no computer.
i purposely ordered the C-6 just so i did not have to deal with the problems of the overdrive trans

the FIPL is only used on overdrive transmissions, not on the C-6
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to use a trans with sae bellhousing your gonna need rear structure flywheel clutch and trans for t444e which can be had from any international dealer. gona need to make clutch linkage setup adjust the tower to make it fit the pickup prolly make rear engine mounts(use rear structure for mounts) medium and heavy duty trans dont have trans mounts. other than that driveshaft and alot of swearing. btw it is had to find a 4x4 medium or heavy duty trans most are 2wd
 

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nope, the C-6 trans was an option until 1996 with gas engines, i am not sure when they stopped with the diesel but i know you could still get it in 94..
i had 8 F-350 4X4's with auto transmissions that i used for my escort service. 1 88, 2 89's, 2 90's, 2 91's and 1 92, all with 7.3 idi and all with the C-6 trans. none had any type of computer at all in them, and my partner at the body shop had a 94 IDI with a C-6 with no computer.
i purposely ordered the C-6 just so i did not have to deal with the problems of the overdrive trans

the FIPL is only used on overdrive transmissions, not on the C-6
I laughed when I first read this post because we have access to all the production figures, the master parts listings by vehicle and the interchange data base for all brands of passenger cars, suvs, light and most medium duty trucks made. This is a majority Diesel forum, but this section does have "and Other Ford Trucks" in it's title. :D
Gas engines in Ford trucks have had EEC IV full computer controlled electronic multi-port fuel injection since 87-88 and yes they used C-6's. We had an 88 F-350 4x4 with C-6, multi-port electronic fuel injection with EEC IV computer control. Those C-6 trucks were common and still very easy to find today.

Anyway, this thread is about swaps with 7.3L IDI Diesel's. 1989 and up are the model years that used E4OD's with 2wd or the optional 4 wheel drive. I searched all of the above data for 7.3 diesels with C-6's to double check. The results listed 2wd only for diesels with C-6's from 90 up with foot notes on some. The foot notes were: Superdutys- all, F-250 and F-350 cab and chassis models available in select regions only. Another was: used in Ryder, Hertz, and Fedex fleets. All C-6's listed were 2wd only. No 7.3L 4x4 C-6's listed at all.......

Other came to mind today. Ford Dealers have offered regional special editions on some vehicles since the 1960's. There was a high country special edition mustang in the western states and the Shelby Mustangs. A twister special Mustang and Mercury Cyclone in the Midwest.

On trucks conversion packages were offered by certain dealers. The Centurion conversion package offered another option that isn't found in the production figures, Master parts listings or interchange data bases: A dually 4x4. :D Ford didn't make a dually 4x4 until 1999. But Centurion conversions did as early as 1994.

Photos of a 1995 Centurion Dually 4x4 with wood trimmed dash and door panels, leather seats, power rear sliding window, stainless steel running boards and tutone green body graphics.

One of the Others that are out there, sometimes rare, few and far between. :D




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my trucks were all ordered direct from ford with 7.3 IDI diesel, C-6 trans, and 4X4. i ordered them myself.
just because it is not in the books don't mean it was not made. ford did a lot of weird things.
i have had people also tell me that 65 falcons did not come with the 271 hp 289, and there was no such thing as a 70 mustang grande coupe with 351C 4 speed and 4 wheel disc brakes.
well i had both, and knocked the ford dealer for a loop when they saw the VIN and build sheet on the mustang.

i still have the falcon.
 

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my trucks were all ordered direct from ford with 7.3 IDI diesel, C-6 trans, and 4X4. i ordered them myself.
just because it is not in the books don't mean it was not made. ford did a lot of weird things.
i have had people also tell me that 65 falcons did not come with the 271 hp 289, and there was no such thing as a 70 mustang grande coupe with 351C 4 speed and 4 wheel disc brakes.
well i had both, and knocked the ford dealer for a loop when they saw the VIN and build sheet on the mustang.

i still have the falcon.
Ok, you have a rare one. Glad to meet you. :D

In 1970 the 351 Cleveland was optional in Mustangs, the 4 speed toploader was too. The rear discs brakes were a popular swap from a much later model Lincoln.

This is one horse that will be kept original. No swapping the toploader for an automatic transmission planned. The Mach 1 has a C-6 behind the 428 Cobra Jet. Both have the optional ram air shaker hood scoops.












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to use a trans with sae bellhousing your gonna need rear structure flywheel clutch and trans for t444e which can be had from any international dealer. gona need to make clutch linkage setup adjust the tower to make it fit the pickup prolly make rear engine mounts(use rear structure for mounts) medium and heavy duty trans dont have trans mounts. other than that driveshaft and alot of swearing. btw it is had to find a 4x4 medium or heavy duty trans most are 2wd
Good info and post on topic. –Thanks. Yup, most are 2wd.

For those who wouldn't prefer swapping to a manual tranny, No need to fear the E40D a full custom rebuilder can build for you. We build full custom E4ODs to hold extreme loads and horsepower. The video in my signature has one of our Full Custom E4OD transmissions behind a 7.3L Powerstroke with custom twin turbo chargers, Swamp’s custom made fuel system injecting 473 cc’s of diesel, plus nitrous! That's more than 4 times the amount of diesel the stock injectors in 1994.5 thru 1997 7.3L powerstroke diesel engines can injection! If you watch the video, you’ll see the exhaust burn clean when the turbos kick in.

At 60 mph running a 7.3L with E4OD 4X4 transmission and 4:10 axles, the engine tachs at 1,750 r.p.m. in overdrive with torque converter clutch engaged. Locking out overdrive at 60 mph with torque converter clutch engaged, engine r.p.m. goes up 2,800.




Below are photos of a Ford F-350 4X4 with our Full custom E4OD transmission and torque converter hauling 31,400 lbs of cat scale certified weight for over 1,800 miles that included crossing mountain ranges.















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