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Well here is my experience with American Force Dually wheels. I am in the middle of the customization of my low mileage 2000 F550. I have done several other Super Duties and have always used Alcoa wheels with the semi adapters. I have always wanted American Force Independence wheels but could never justify the high cost of them. Well searching CL I found a set of black powder coated AF Independence wheels with almost new Toyo M/T's complete with adapters and center caps at a fantastic asking price. The exact package I have been wanting for a long time. The only problem was the adapters he had were for a Chevy. Well no biggie, Right? I figured I'll sell the Chevy adapters and buy a set of Ford adapters. So I checked the AF web site and they have the adapters I need listed for $895. So I went to see the wheels and they were gorgeous so I made the guy an offer and wa la I finally have the wheels and tires I have been wanting for years. So I get home and list the Chevy adapters on CL and sell them the same day. Wow this is going great. So now I call AF to order my Ford adapters and what does AF tell me? They won't sell their adapters out right. You have to buy a set of wheels to get their adapters. What kind of sh&* is this. Well so I figure there are a lot of companies selling semi adapters no problem AF just won't get by business. So now I start calling other adapter companies just to find out AF's center bore is larger than the standard bore on all other 10 on 285 wheels such as Alcoa. Most of the companies don't or won't make adapters for AF wheels. The two that will want over $1500 to make them with a 3 to 6 week lead time. OMG!!!! This has turned into a nightmare. I have already sold the wheels that were on my truck so now I have a yard truck on jack stands for at least 3 weeks. Sorry for the very long rant but I'm just so pissed at American Force. Who would have ever thought they would do this. Make their wheels a different size than any other wheel in existence and then refuse to sell you their adapters. Such BS in IMHFO!!! Has any body else had this problem on here?? If so how did you solve the problem?? Oh I forgot to mention, the guy who bought the Chevy adapters from me has now called a said they won't fit his Alcoa wheels! So I guess I will have to give him his money back and try to sell them to a guy who has AF wheels or maybe used them to anchor my boat. What a PITFA this has turned out to be. :confused::confused::confused::confused:
 

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saving a nickle and spending a dime happens to me a lot

but it is chitty of AF to have that ridiculous policy
 

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if the AF has a bigger bore ( not sure how much bigger it could be ? what is it ?? )

can you get a standard adapter and make/have made an OD circumference ring to make up the void ?

 

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Yeah I thought about have a ring made. Do you think that would be safe? Would need some way to make sure the ring doesn't work it's way out. Standard bore for 10 x 285 is right around 8 3/4", AF's bore is 9 1/2" so about 3/4" larger. Yeah I was on that site, I called them and they don't have the ones I need in stock anymore and AF will no longer sell just adapters to them either. Thanks for the idea about a ring, that may be the way I will need to go.
 

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i think the ring is doable it should center the wheel and once the lugs are tight it may move unless you have a good friction fit / adhesive/ or mechanical fastener like a set of pins
 

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I would maybe see if one of our vendors can get a set i't crap that the rims now become useless without buyin a whole set to get adapters almost criminal IMO

and to not make it known that these are proprietary 10 lug is a load of crap also IMO

I am in the market and I just took these down a bunch of notches from my consider list
 

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I would maybe see if one of our vendors can get a set i't crap that the rims now become useless without buyin a whole set to get adapters almost criminal IMO

and to not make it known that these are proprietary 10 lug is a load of crap also IMO

I am in the market and I just took these down a bunch of notches from my consider list
+2 I certainly would never had bought them if I knew about their exclusive bore diameter. It is positively BS. I have seen pictures of F650's and Kodiac's with AF wheels and they have the standard bore 10 x 285 bolt patterns so they must use a ring like you have suggested. I think that's what I am going to do. Buy a set of regular adapters for Ford and have a local machine shop make the spacer rings. AF can go to HE double hockey sticks IMHO.
 

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Any machine shop could make that ring. Freeze the adapter and make the ring so when it fits on and the adapter heats up they seize together.

I ran into similar issues with XD wheels for my 95 ford. I asked about center caps for 4x4 and the long axle hub on the back of my truck. They said no we don't make anything you have to run without center caps i machined them myself and made a spacer and posted it on their Facebook.
 

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I didn't even think of the regular 10 lug trucks that run A F rims

i also wonder if people are just bolting them on like they were lug centric and not concerning themselves with the bore slop / hub centric ?
 

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I didn't even think of the regular 10 lug trucks that run A F rims

I also wonder if people are just bolting them on like they were lug centric and not concerning themselves with the bore slop / hub centric ?
Yeah, probably a lot of guys wouldn't even think about that and just bolt them on. Wow very scary thought. I think that would be an accident looking for a place to happen.

That's a good idea about the press fit. I'll have the rings made a few thousands smaller and then freeze the adapters and press the rings on. That will defiantly lock them in place. I was thinking of a few spot welds at the joint also. I used to work at an engine machine shop and we used the freeze technique when we sleeved cylinder bores.

Thanks for all the input guys. I knew you guys on here would help me find an answer. I'm still going to knock AF on their facebook.
 

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i use the freeze / oven all the time for two stoke cylinders
i wouldn't think a spot weld would be needed after that
 

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just shooting the chit here

ya know they make plastic hub centric rings for many application that just locate the rim on the center of the hub and they don't take any weight after the lugs are bolted on

IDK if a 10 lug needs to have weight carrying capacity on the hub or if it is to locate the rim ? the site i linked is not the usa site I couldn't get that to load but they also say they have aluminum rings ( probably nothing for a 10 lug but just for reference )
Why you should use the Hub Centric Rings? - HubCentric-Rings.com

if you have some machined I think even though the adapter is steel the ring could be aluminum like the rim it should be far less expensive and work fine ??
 

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so you didnt research before purchasing used wheels and now are upset because it didnt work out for you, makes sense....AF has always been good to me.
 

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i would be upset also and I don't see it as him being mad he bough the wrong adapters he knew that going in

whats the purpose of them not selling the adapters separate ? and why proprietary? that was new to me that makes no sense if true since the OEM adapters are so close why change it a little ??

but the workaround is simple at least the rim center hole is larger vs smaller
 

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so you didnt research before purchasing used wheels and now are upset because it didnt work out for you, makes sense....AF has always been good to me.
Yes I did my research. AF has the adapters I need listed on their web site and several other vendors also have the AF adapters I need listed with the price. Who would have ever thought they would refuse to sell them to me unless I buy a new set of wheels at the same time. Maybe AF has been good to you but IMHO they are a messed up company. Not only will they not sell me their adapters they were extremely rude to me on the phone. I have the problem solved with the help of forum members with standard adapters and spacer rings but I will never buy another set of AF wheels or recommend them to anyone.
 
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