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hey im asking for some advice. im postiing this thread here because i dont feel like hearing the bashing of how i should just stick with the 6.0.

i have a 2003 F350 Auto 4wd with the 6 liter. i was planning after deployment to get the truck bulletproofed(truck runs but my OT/CT split is up in the 20s) so i was gonna dump about 9-10k into the truck and get it all done up, BP oil cooler, ARPS, BP water pump, Fuel regulator kit, valve job and what not. already has BP 6 phase ficm and blue spring and gauge.

but my brother(sold me the truck) asked what about just swapping a cummins in it? soo hmmmm i start searching and now im really interested. ive drove his 98.5 twin turbo and built tranny(dodge) cummins and it was a pretty nice actually(dodge body and chassis aside)

so in my research i figured i could do the swap myself with the help of some buddies who are a little more expierenced but none of us have done a job like this before.

i wanted to put 2003-2004.5 CR in place instead of the 6.0, i would do a
p-pump but the unfortunate thng is im stationed in california with emissions testing and even my home state of ohio has emissions. the factor of passing emissions is probably my biggest deterent. i was imagining spending about 10-12k for the swap doing it myself but if i cant register a truck theres no point.

so if anyone out there can chime in on expierence with this possible swap or getting past emissions after a swap please feel free to share info!!!

thanks for any help!!!

-Jamie

p.s. if there any info on my plans or current truck that will help just ask
 

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old sig ,ignore it
 

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If it were me I would do a bit newer motor 06-07 or even a 6.7. They are more reliable engines .I can buy 1 20,000 mile 2012 6.7 for less money than a 150,000 mile 5.9. I am personally against the swap. But that's only because every fummins I have drove was a turd. Someday I might drive a good one??? maybe. I really don't have an opinion on emissions I never tried we don't have emissions here. My understanding was same year or newer, from same class of vehicle, and all emission equipment for that engine it would pass.
 

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well the reason i didnt want to do newer is due to some issues with skim and other more electronic issues plus i didint want a truck with a egr system. from what ive read the 03-04.5 are the most conversion friendly and correct me if im wrong but arent the 05 and up equppied with an egr? and true those are the rules but i know check engine light is always a big red flag.

are there any other reasons you wouldnt swap (other than turds)?

with either the 6.0 or a cummins my desire is a reliable mid 500rwhp daily driver.....the reliability of the 6.0 scares me but also does the potential can of worms of a swap
 

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well first kick in another 6k+ for trans 5r110 running stand alone controller simply don't live in fummins trucks the shift strategy is to complex. so you need a built 4r100. Only egr I ever seen on a 5.9 was on 07 isb in medium truck . I don't think any of the dodge pick ups got egr till 6.7 unless their is a California package or something. Far as programming only one I really dealt with was running smarty tuner from destroked. One of the other things to consider the Cummins will not have the power it has in dodge pickup in excursion. Excursion is 2000+ lbs heavier than 4 door ram. Engine vibration and noise seen offensive to me not enough dampening in the mounts. of the conversion kits for daily driver. May not bother some just not my taste.
 

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it seems like you will end up spending the same, or close to the same amount of money either way, so pick whatever motor makes you happy! Personally, i'd opt for a cummins over a 6.0, but thats just me. Im not the average idiot that just says that because i'm scared of them. i know how to work on them, and have to daily drive one for my company truck. They are just problematic as hell. Even after you "bulletproof" them. Ficm's, injectors, hpo leaks/issues, turbo vanes sticking, lifters dropping needle bearings into the oil pump and trashing cams and oil pumps, etc...
 

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it seems like you will end up spending the same, or close to the same amount of money either way, so pick whatever motor makes you happy! Personally, i'd opt for a cummins over a 6.0, but thats just me. Im not the average idiot that just says that because i'm scared of them. i know how to work on them, and have to daily drive one for my company truck. They are just problematic as hell. Even after you "bulletproof" them. Ficm's, injectors, hpo leaks/issues, turbo vanes sticking, lifters dropping needle bearings into the oil pump and trashing cams and oil pumps, etc...
Yep I work on all 3 powerstrokes Cummins and duramax diesels all 3 have problems They don't call them 5.9 common FAILS for nothing!!!:poke:
 

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i see what your saying about the trans issue. i love cummins and always wanted one in a ford....but the fact remains that money and tiime are just not on my side. and yes i would be forking over some cash for my initial stud install, cooler, etc it would be saving me alot of headaches and time. im sure the swap would leave me car less for a couple months and thats just more headaches i dont want.

i had an eitre build plan for the truck that would be about a 1.5 years long. but that includes BP'in, and the power adders i want. then i can save some $ for a stranger trans an toughen up the trq5110.

do these fummins really tear up the 5100 that bad? most sights i read the its pretty decent for the swap other than the tuning
 

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ignore typos key board is finnicky
 

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The 5r110 is a very strong transmission. but is hard to keep the direct clutch in the 5r is a swap shift shift timing is absolutely critical!!! If programming is not perfect it simply will not last. "burnt direct clutch" The conversion's I know of 1 that went through 1 stock 2 built 5rs before switching to 4r. The 4r is very forgiving compared to 5r. Save the $$$ and start off with a 4r.
 

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Pass on the 5r in a conversion. You will spend the rest of your life trying to get it programed. Just contact a good builder. I personally recommend BTS.
As far as the motor 06-07 is the way to go. No Emissions crap and you can tune with EFI live. I am converting my 03 to a 06 ECM this winter. I have fought with the tunning on the 03 for 5 years.
 

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Hey NEVRNF how much did your swap come out to be if you dont mind me asking.....your probably the closest to my configureation ive seen.
 

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jmegt, where in cali are you? I am contemplating doing the same thing. Originally I was going to do a 12v because im in a non smog county of cali, but then I figured if i was going to do it I should just try and get it BAR'd
 

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jmegt, where in cali are you? I am contemplating doing the same thing. Originally I was going to do a 12v because im in a non smog county of cali, but then I figured if i was going to do it I should just try and get it BAR'd
im down in san diego....im still on the fritz about this conversion im still about 80/20 leaning towards keping the 6.0......if emissions wasnt a concern it would be a big game changer but as much as id like a cummins it doesnt outweigh how much i dont want to deal with all that mess. trying hard to find someone with a very close or same setup up i was thinking about.
 

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I havent gone into the conversion too much but my numbers are at 15k, just for a conversion. And then who knows what for smog. I have been looking for some one that has done a ca legal diesel swap, havent found one. I have talked to a lot of honda and bmw guys and some say it was easy to get smogged, most say its impossible.

Im leaning more towards keeping the 6.0 also.
 

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I havent gone into the conversion too much but my numbers are at 15k, just for a conversion. And then who knows what for smog. I have been looking for some one that has done a ca legal diesel swap, havent found one. I have talked to a lot of honda and bmw guys and some say it was easy to get smogged, most say its impossible.

Im leaning more towards keeping the 6.0 also.
yea man the smog thing is a killer....as much of a good power plant a cummins is, like you said 15k and thats prob using the same tranny you have now just for the conversion. 15k would have a fully bulletproofed 6.0 with close to a respectable 500rwhp. if i was made of money the swap would be on just out of pure want. i just cant find the means to justify it :(
 

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If I had to guess $20-25k. I did cam, valve springs, studs, New head gasket, injectors, turbo, intake and exhaust manifolds, Cp3, Intercooler, fuel pump, BTS, ect. My truck was 100% stock with 35k when I did the conversion. I did all the mods from day 1.
 

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If I had to guess $20-25k. I did cam, valve springs, studs, New head gasket, injectors, turbo, intake and exhaust manifolds, Cp3, Intercooler, fuel pump, BTS, ect. My truck was 100% stock with 35k when I did the conversion. I did all the mods from day 1.
ouch thats a good bit of $$$$$ def not in my budget. im sure the 6.o will be plentiful for the power and goals i have.

pretty jelly of your rig man sounds like an awesome build
 
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