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It's easy to lump people like myself to be lumped in like some liberal, big government lover.
Truth is I started my business young, and up to a few years ago, mortgaged everything I had ever had, made every mistake I could make, and now I have 45+ people working for me. I pay taxes that seem to wipe out the profits I should be taking home. Still, I am extremely fortunate and I'm the LAST guy who you could call a liberal lover of Government.

Having said that, we live in a much more complex global marketplace, one that our founding fathers couldn't have even wildly imagined back when the Constitution was written..
We live in a Capitolistic society that allows for our freedom, as well as a small pond for sharks to prey easily on small fish.
Unions, mobsters, crooked politicians, career welfare cases, Paranha attorneys killing our health care.
It's a complex society, but it works for us and we live a life that is pretty good considering all that is wrong with unbridaled Capitolism.

Now after suffering through an economic theft of our nation's home equity from many, many angles of greed, and our nations 401K savings and borrowing power, I find it hard to let a company the size and scope of GM, AIG or any of the large scumball banks like Citibank fail. Failure, although deserved would affect the final blow to our listing ship of an economy. Consider that..
In a perfect world of Capitolism, they should fail, and let the pieces fall and rebuild where they may. But, what if the economic impact is too great, which I believe would have been enough to push our house of cards off the table.
Sorry, but I don't see this as a chance I would have taken.

I like my lifestyle. I want to preserve it without having to see everyone around my lose their jobs. I provide a service, and my customers have the ability to pay. I like that..
Knowing our tax system, and our Governments penchant for "taking", I'm providing my own security and personal retirement, and not depending on my 401K for anything other than casual spending money when I'm ready move south to enjoy the sun..

You are willing to gamble, I am not. I have much to lose, how about you?
I will support GM for what it is, and that's a "vehicle" that keeps people employed and spending money at my business, and in your community as well.

In closing, what I would like to see are the thieves behind bars. At least Bernie Madoff is getting a little share of hell on Earth before he actually checks in.

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Ford Credit did not take any Government money, they took a loan form the Federal Reserve directly. I despise the Federal Reserve, but facts are facts. This was addressed earlier in the conversation.

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Ford is still private. They did take a loan from the Fed, not the U.S. government. The Fed usually loans to banks first and then to the lenders, but Ford Credit, not Ford Motor took the loan from the Fed. I have my problems with the Fed even existing, but facts are facts.
Normally the Federal Reserve (DID I MENTION I DESPISE THEM?) loans money to banks at a low rate, then said banks loan it to companies and consumers at a higher rate. In this instance the Federal Reserve loaned it directly to Ford, Honda, and other credit arms of corporations at the discounted rate for fast, cheap money. In hopes of unfreezing the credit market. I do not agree with this tactic BTW. Surprised at the number of GM trolls on here.

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It's easy to lump people like myself to be lumped in like some liberal, big government lover.
Truth is I started my business young, and up to a few years ago, mortgaged everything I had ever had, made every mistake I could make, and now I have 45+ people working for me. I pay taxes that seem to wipe out the profits I should be taking home. Still, I am extremely fortunate and I'm the LAST guy who you could call a liberal lover of Government.

Having said that, we live in a much more complex global marketplace, one that our founding fathers couldn't have even wildly imagined back when the Constitution was written..
We live in a Capitolistic society that allows for our freedom, as well as a small pond for sharks to prey easily on small fish.
Unions, mobsters, crooked politicians, career welfare cases, Paranha attorneys killing our health care.
It's a complex society, but it works for us and we live a life that is pretty good considering all that is wrong with unbridaled Capitolism.

Now after suffering through an economic theft of our nation's home equity from many, many angles of greed, and our nations 401K savings and borrowing power, I find it hard to let a company the size and scope of GM, AIG or any of the large scumball banks like Citibank fail. Failure, although deserved would affect the final blow to our listing ship of an economy. Consider that..
In a perfect world of Capitolism, they should fail, and let the pieces fall and rebuild where they may. But, what if the economic impact is too great, which I believe would have been enough to push our house of cards off the table.
Sorry, but I don't see this as a chance I would have taken.

I like my lifestyle. I want to preserve it without having to see everyone around my lose their jobs. I provide a service, and my customers have the ability to pay. I like that..
Knowing our tax system, and our Governments penchant for "taking", I'm providing my own security and personal retirement, and not depending on my 401K for anything other than casual spending money when I'm ready move south to enjoy the sun..

You are willing to gamble, I am not. I have much to lose, how about you?
I will support GM for what it is, and that's a "vehicle" that keeps people employed and spending money at my business, and in your community as well.

In closing, what I would like to see are the thieves behind bars. At least Bernie Madoff is getting a little share of hell on Earth before he actually checks in.
I said nothing of you being a liberal, as you are not. I am ( in the classical sense, not modern). I know one when I see one, you sir definitely are not one. I did say you were a big government statist, very different. Gambling, as you called it, is the only reason we have anything today. To guarantee no failure is also to guarantee no success. The little "gamble Henry Ford took, or Thomas Edison, or even more importantly our founders. Talk about a gamble.

I also notice the almost purposeful syntax errors in your post, the message is still clear however. It is true I gamble every day I go to work, in ways you may not be able to relate to or imagine, so I will spare that correlation as it is of my choosing to do so. AS for my community. The GM dealer went bust here. The people whom were employed there somehow survived and moved on. We now have two new car repair shops because of this, and the Ford dealer gained a few more sales staff, mechanics and the like. The same for the Toyota and Honda dealers respectively. The GM dealer was a huge Conservative activist in our neck of the woods and was one of the dealers shut down by our all benevolent handlers in Washington. The dealer re-opened a few months ago, shocker with one of the biggest Democrat names in MD. The only caveat, he brought in his own staff.

CapitAlism is not what I endorse or believe in. Free market capitalism is what I believe in. We haven't had this in decades. Most everything today is a form of crony-capitalism ergo Fascism. Elected officials are shoveling our tax dollars to there pals and writing regulations and laws to snuff out there pal's competition. Not much different than Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, or Adolf's Germany. Even the Soviet's had a from of this in their Communist regimes ( as do the modern day Chinese). You almost recite the statist talking points of our current regime to the "T". Why is that?

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George C, I do like the colors of your truck. I think we will agree on that.

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Let me also clarify.
When I reference lost GM jobs, I don't necessarily mean jobs working for GM, such as dealership jobs. I live close to Buffalo, NY.
Rust belt heaven.
Many GM, Ford and Mopar subcontracting companies reside there, along with an engine plant, and an axle plant. Lots of jobs to be affected.
A friend of mine has a metal and plastic stamping plant which presses out light housings for the auto industry.
Truck-lite lighting resides 30 miles from me, as well as another company which makes radiators and air conditioning cores for GM. These are the "colateral" damage jobs I refer to.

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I respect and understand that, but could they not also manufacturer for other industries and/or auto makers? Perhaps we could become competitive on the world stage and be a manufacturer for worldwide automakers etc. Ford deifiniteley should have used the suppliers you listed for their radiators in the Job 1 08's.

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Iirc the chevy did stop faster than the ford as well as getting it's self moving faster. I know the exhaust brake outperforms the Ford by a large margin which is a major factor when towing heavy. Like it or not Gov Motors is stealing Fords show.

Not in sales not at all. Gov motors has a long way to go.
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What's not private about ford?
Lets start with the basics, its a stock held company.

LMAO lets start with the Gov don't own 50% of fords stocks!! That said yes they are a stock held company.
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Not in sales not at all. Gov motors has a long way to go.
Umm, not really, in fact they "GM" are either very close, or outright lead Ford in total sales..
What stops GM from comparable sales for the last 20 years is simply because they are dividing two name-plates as seperate entities, to Ford's one.
I think we can all agree that the Silverado and the Sierra are the same truck that appeals to the same GM buyer, therefore should be counted together in the general popularity contest.
2009 Pickup Truck Sales - Comparing 2008 and 2009 Truck Sales Statistics


2008-09 sales figures claim Ford sold 515,513 F series trucks.
GMC and Chevrolet combined sold 633,609 Silverado-Sierra units.
That makes "Government Motors as you put it, the sales leader by over 118,000 rigs. I don't know if they taught arithmatic in your neck of the wood, but that's more trucks than Ford, which means that Ford is the one with a long way to go.
Around here, there are probably 10 GM trucks to every single Ford. I don't see it, but obviously most people prefer GM.
Personally, I've driven both, and the Duramax has always impressed me more. There is nothing about the 6.7L that makes me want to trade my tuned 6.4L.
IMO,Ford has always had the better looking, better built heavy truck. I guess others disagree in large numbers.

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