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So they are suing to see documents that most likely don't exist, but JW thinks they exist. Then they take a draft memo and 1) completely mis-interpret it, then 2) come to some conclusion that secret amnesty documents exist. Finally, they totally missed the FACT that illegal immigration deportation has been HIGHER in the past 2 years than it has ever been, and even set a record in 2009 for all-time deportation numbers.

By the way, we already had this discussion over the memo a while back: Amnesty for illegals? - PowerStrokeNation

No where in that memo is it granting mass amnesty. Furthermore, with record numbers of deportations (higher than any administration ever in the history of this country), does it really make sense to think that there's some uber-secret amnesty plan in the works?

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So they are suing to see documents that most likely don't exist, but JW thinks they exist. Then they take a draft memo and 1) completely mis-interpret it, then 2) come to some conclusion that secret amnesty documents exist. Finally, they totally missed the FACT that illegal immigration deportation has been HIGHER in the past 2 years than it has ever been, and even set a record in 2009 for all-time deportation numbers.

By the way, we already had this discussion over the memo a while back: Amnesty for illegals? - PowerStrokeNation

No where in that memo is it granting mass amnesty. Furthermore, with record numbers of deportations (higher than any administration ever in the history of this country), does it really make sense to think that there's some uber-secret amnesty plan in the works?
Some folks are so smart on the issue they have nothing left to learn....Good for you Pocket.

Since you are so passionate on this issue, why not set up a recurring donation out of your pocket to help these poor people.....please explain why our country should obligate precious tax dollars in a time with so many competing fiscal priorities?

I'll restate a wise position illustrated to me time and time again...we all have great ideas with environment, borders, international trade, oil discovery, the environment, etc......the difference between liberal thinkers, and conservative thinkers....liberal folks don't let the hard part of paying for their ideas get in the way.

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So they are suing to see documents that most likely don't exist, but JW thinks they exist. Then they take a draft memo and 1) completely mis-interpret it, then 2) come to some conclusion that secret amnesty documents exist. Finally, they totally missed the FACT that illegal immigration deportation has been HIGHER in the past 2 years than it has ever been, and even set a record in 2009 for all-time deportation numbers.

By the way, we already had this discussion over the memo a while back: Amnesty for illegals? - PowerStrokeNation

No where in that memo is it granting mass amnesty. Furthermore, with record numbers of deportations (higher than any administration ever in the history of this country), does it really make sense to think that there's some uber-secret amnesty plan in the works?
First, I don't have the actual numbers, but just as an example:

2 yrs ago in 2007 there were 100 illegals that crossed the border and 10 were caught and deported. In 2009 200 illegals crossed the border and 15 were caught and deported. Couldn't the administration say they deported 50% more illegals than the previous administration? This would be a factual number. Before they deported 10, now it is 15 so they could say they had record deportation numbers. This would be true, but they aren't telling you that there are double the amount of people crossing illegal so the percentage is actually down. Just sayin'

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Deporting Illegal Aliens is a double edged sword, if they are forced out fruit prices go up, but medical costs will go down. Honestly I think they deserve to get kicked out, lock that border up, make the damn wall 50 feet tall and put armed guards at an outpost every 100 feet, and load em up with .50 cal Browing Machine Guns!

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Some folks are so smart on the issue they have nothing left to learn....Good for you Pocket.

Since you are so passionate on this issue, why not set up a recurring donation out of your pocket to help these poor people.....please explain why our country should obligate precious tax dollars in a time with so many competing fiscal priorities?

I'll restate a wise position illustrated to me time and time again...we all have great ideas with environment, borders, international trade, oil discovery, the environment, etc......the difference between liberal thinkers, and conservative thinkers....liberal folks don't let the hard part of paying for their ideas get in the way.
Your post makes zero sense. You want to sit there and blast me, yet not once do you even reference the actual topic of this thread.

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First, I don't have the actual numbers, but just as an example:

2 yrs ago in 2007 there were 100 illegals that crossed the border and 10 were caught and deported. In 2009 200 illegals crossed the border and 15 were caught and deported. Couldn't the administration say they deported 50% more illegals than the previous administration? This would be a factual number. Before they deported 10, now it is 15 so they could say they had record deportation numbers. This would be true, but they aren't telling you that there are double the amount of people crossing illegal so the percentage is actually down. Just sayin'
I found the numbers from DHS. Thanks to the economy tanking, illegal immigration dropped in 2009 and 2010. So we have less illegals crossing the border, yet we're deporting more than ever.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2010.pdf

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Deporting Illegal Aliens is a double edged sword, if they are forced out fruit prices go up, but medical costs will go down. Honestly I think they deserve to get kicked out, lock that border up, make the damn wall 50 feet tall and put armed guards at an outpost every 100 feet, and load em up with .50 cal Browing Machine Guns!
Does anyone stop to consider the massive cost of a wall across our border?

It's been tried before.

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Your right about my post....you struck a nerve is all. Lived in El Paso for 5 years, and got to see effects of our porous border security policy first hand. I'll admit...my mind is pretty well made up on that issue. You posting some statistics isn't going to cut it.

I personally heard first hand from a CBP Aviator friend of mine...where he tells the tale of picking up the same UDA (undocumented alien...I believe was the term a few years back)....3 times in the same week. Sound/movement sensors trigger a response...they whip the helo out to the sector...they find the UDA....they land...they detain the UDA....SAME guy...3 times in a 8 day work shift...

He had given up on the idea of a purpose behind his job. Most members of the CBP that I've spoken with have similar stories and similar perspectives. You should talk to them....as a liberal might say...."it might enlighten" you.

I could go on and on...but don't want to ramble here...but do me a favor....

Look up the property tax rates on 5 of your favorite US/Mexico border towns....and tell me what you find. I did a couple years back, and understand the economic dynamic involved....you don't, or you don't care about the economic impacts of amnesty.

The Fence...needs to be several things...a physical barrier that uses technology (sensors/cameras) to reduce it's physical size/cost, that's manned appropriate so a relavent response can be made along 100% of it's dimension at all times, and is backed by zero tolerance policy.

A country/state....the border needs to mean something in order for the country/state to mean anything.

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