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Internet 'kill switch' bill will return | Privacy Inc. - CNET News

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The revised Lieberman-Collins bill, dubbed the Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act, works this way: Homeland Security will "establish and maintain a list of systems or assets that constitute covered critical infrastructure" and that will be subject to emergency decrees. (The term "kill switch" does not appear in the legislation.)

Under the revised legislation, the definition of critical infrastructure has been tightened. DHS is only supposed to place a computer system (including a server, Web site, router, and so on) on the list if it meets three requirements. First, the disruption of the system could cause "severe economic consequences" or worse. Second, that the system "is a component of the national information infrastructure." Third, that the "national information infrastructure is essential to the reliable operation of the system."
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A company that objects to being subject to the emergency regulations is permitted to appeal to DHS secretary Janet Napolitano. But her decision is final and courts are explicitly prohibited from reviewing it.
Say what? No access to the courts? Surely that is unconstitutional.

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I am sure this in direct response to the Wikileaks debacle.
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I am sure this in direct response to the Wikileaks debacle.
Correct. But totally unconstitutional without ability to appeal.

Hell she could say PSN or the org was vital to the nation and shut it down and we couldnt do a damn thing about it under this bill

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How else do you guys think a full scale cyber attack can be stopped?

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How else do you guys think a full scale cyber attack can be stopped?
There are people and safe nets in place for that, what your saying is a total B.S. justification for media blockage. Hitler did the very equivalent back during his time.

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There are people and safe nets in place for that, what your saying is a total B.S. justification for media blockage. Hitler did the very equivalent back during his time.

he dosent,and will not entertain the possability
of any such thing ever happening,
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There are people and safe nets in place for that, what your saying is a total B.S. justification for media blockage. Hitler did the very equivalent back during his time.
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I should have known better than to even think the two of you would understand anything about technology.

Take the time to read first guys. Nothing about this has anything to do with "media blockage". Go figure you two would start with the whole conspiracy theory angle.

And no, there aren't "kill switch style" safe nets in place either. There are many different systems and infrastructures, under different controls... private, public, and military. If a major cyber threat or attack were to appear, you might have one shut down, but the others would be open and vulnerable. There is no central direction, no central security to protect the systems and take them out of the loop at the same time.

So again, how else do you guys think a full scale cyber attack can be stopped?

This IS part of national security. It's exactly like asking "how can a full blown invasion be stopped without a standing army?". And you're answer would be "but we have police departments".

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I didn't say we already had a kill switch, I said there are already safe nets in place with the DOD, CIA, FBI and other unknowns. Now if this is alowed and you don't think it will be used for political gain your a flaming idiot. The world is on fire and your trying to get a tan. No you shouldn't have known better, we should have known better than to think you would open your eyes. And just FYI there, if you don't have Internet but have a modem hooked up to your computer it can still be hacked regardless if you have Internet service or not. And if you think a hack on the level of doing the kind of damage that would require such drastic measures couldn't do the same thing you again a flaming idiot. Like I said it's not about stay it's about blocking out any bad press and being able to control the population by only allowing info to be seen when and where you want it coming from. If you don't see that coming then you are in for the rude awakening.

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I should have known better than to even think the two of you would understand anything about technology.

Take the time to read first guys. Nothing about this has anything to do with "media blockage". Go figure you two would start with the whole conspiracy theory angle.

And no, there aren't "kill switch style" safe nets in place either. There are many different systems and infrastructures, under different controls... private, public, and military. If a major cyber threat or attack were to appear, you might have one shut down, but the others would be open and vulnerable. There is no central direction, no central security to protect the systems and take them out of the loop at the same time.

So again, how else do you guys think a full scale cyber attack can be stopped?

This IS part of national security. It's exactly like asking "how can a full blown invasion be stopped without a standing army?". And you're answer would be "but we have police departments".

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Curtis cant help it. He doesnt know that the FBI CIA, NSA and USA military already have cybersecurity units. That are fully capable of tracking and stopping cyber attacks already without shutting down the net

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How else do you guys think a full scale cyber attack can be stopped?
Just like it is today, with each individual being responsible for their own network. Safeguards are in place, why don't we use those?

Even beyond that most, if not all, ISPs will shut down automatically over a cyber attack just due to the lack of bandwidth.

Why must government have the control?

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