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Unreal. They still find a way to blame Republicans even though the shooters friends call him a "Left Wing Pothead." The media/govt message was to not "jump to conclusions" with the Muslim terrorist Ft. Hood shooting, but they are already blaming Sarah Palin for the shooting in AZ? WTF is wrong with liberals?

Journalists urged caution after Ft. Hood, now race to blame Palin after Arizona shootings

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On November 5, 2009, Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire at a troop readiness center in Ft. Hood, Texas, killing 13 people. Within hours of the killings, the world knew that Hasan reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before he began shooting, visited websites associated with Islamist violence, wrote Internet postings justifying Muslim suicide bombings, considered U.S. forces his enemy, opposed American involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan as wars on Islam, and told a neighbor shortly before the shootings that he was going "to do good work for God." There was ample evidence, in other words, that the Ft. Hood attack was an act of Islamist violence.

Nevertheless, public officials, journalists, and commentators were quick to caution that the public should not "jump to conclusions" about Hasan's motive. CNN, in particular, became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care.

"The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN the night of the shootings.

"We cannot jump to conclusions," said CNN's Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. "We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever."

"I'm on Pentagon chat room," said former CIA operative Robert Baer on CNN, also the night of the shooting. "Right now, there's messages going back and forth, saying do not jump to the conclusion this had anything to do with Islam."

The next day, President Obama underscored the rapidly-forming conventional wisdom when he told the country, "I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts." In the days that followed, CNN jouralists and guests repeatedly echoed the president's remarks.

"We can't jump to conclusions," Army Gen. George Casey said on CNN November 8. The next day, political analyst Mark Halperin urged a "transparent" investigation into the shootings "so the American people don't jump to conclusions." And when Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra, then the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, suggested that the Ft. Hood attack was terrorism, CNN's John Roberts was quick to intervene. "Now, President Obama has asked people to be very cautious here and to not jump to conclusions," Roberts said to Hoekstra. "By saying that you believe this is an act of terror, are you jumping to a conclusion?"

Fast forward a little more than a year, to January 8, 2011. In Tucson, Arizona, a 22 year-old man named Jared Lee Loughner opened fire at a political event, gravely wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, killing a federal judge and five others, and wounding 18. In the hours after the attack, little was known about Loughner beyond some bizarre and largely incomprehensible YouTube postings that, if anything, suggested he was mentally ill. Yet the network that had shown such caution in discussing the Ft. Hood shootings openly discussed the possibility that Loughner was inspired to violence by…Sarah Palin. Although there is no evidence that Loughner was in any way influenced by Palin, CNN was filled with speculation about the former Alaska governor.

After reporting that Pima County She#### Clarence Dupnik had condemned what Dupnik called "the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government," CNN's Wolf Blitzer turned to congressional reporter Jessica Yellin for analysis. The she#### "singled out some of the political rhetoric, as you point out, in creating the environment that allowed this kind of instance to happen," Yellin told Blitzer. "Even though, as you point out, this suspect is not cooperating with investigators, so we don't know the motive. President Obama also delivered that message, saying it's partly the political rhetoric that led to this. So that's why we want to bring up one of the themes that's burning up the social media right now. On Twitter and Facebook, there is a lot of talk, in particular, about Sarah Palin. As you might recall, back in March of last year, when the health care vote was coming to the floor of the House and this was all heating up, Palin tweeted out a message on Twitter saying 'common sense conservatives, don't retreat -- instead reload.' And she referred folks to her Facebook page. On that Facebook page was a list of Democratic members she was putting in crosshairs, and Gabrielle Giffords was one of those in the crosshairs."

Yellin noted that Palin had "posted a statement on Facebook saying that 'my sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families and for peace and justice.'" Yellin continued: "And I should point out that Republican leaders in Washington have said that this is not a partisan issue, this is about violence, as have some tea party groups. But clearly this is a moment to talk about our political rhetoric."

"It certainly is," Blitzer agreed. "But the question is, is there any evidence that the suspected shooter in this particular case was a Sarah Palin fan, read Sarah Palin's website, was a member on Facebook, watched her tweets, or anything like that?"

"None at all," Yellin responded. "And there is no evidence that this was even inspired by rage over health care, broadly. So there is no overt connection between Sarah Palin, health care, and the [shootings]."

Indeed, there is no "overt" or any other sort of connection between Loughner and Palin. If such evidence came to light, it would certainly be news. But without that evidence, and after a brief caveat, the CNN group went back to discussing the theory that Loughner acted out of rage inspired by Palin and other Republicans. Conclusions were jumped to all around.

And it wasn't just CNN. Other media outlets were also filled with speculation about the attack and pronouncements on the state of American political rhetoric. What a markedly different situation from 15 months earlier when, in the face of actual evidence that Maj. Hasan was inspired by Islamist convictions, many media commentators sought to be voices of caution. Where was that caution after the shootings in Arizona?

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Journalists urged caution after Ft. Hood, now race to blame Palin after Arizona shootings | Washington Examiner

Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead"

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A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her "tweets" in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."

We've confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."
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If I recall the left was on tv making verbal threats towards Bush...

This is not political.

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1) I've seen several news reports about this episode and I've heard no mention of the shooter's political alignment. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying that to paint all media as "liberal" is just way to broad.

2) I've never heard the "left" making verbal threats against Bush. Once again, maybe some liberal individuals have but you are using that rather broad brush once more.

3) I guess some will point fingers at Palin and gang because they hate her and her politics. This shouldn't be a surprise at all. Many right here accuse Obama of crimes he did not commit almost daily for the exact same reasons, they just personally hate him very much. I personally don't see any connection but I do see the violence that other right wing news pundits spout off all of the time. Should a few Faux News contributors have been charged in the death of Dr. Tillman for their outright support of his murder? After all they did everything accept pull the trigger. I don't know truthfully where free speech ends and incitement begins. I don't think they should be charged w/ a crime but it's clear that many on the far right contributed to this man's murder.

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That guy needs his a$$ kicked.
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^^^^ Holy hell I would LOVE to put my boot in Olbermann's face.

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1) I've seen several news reports about this episode and I've heard no mention of the shooter's political alignment. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying that to paint all media as "liberal" is just way to broad.

2) I've never heard the "left" making verbal threats against Bush. Once again, maybe some liberal individuals have but you are using that rather broad brush once more.

3) I guess some will point fingers at Palin and gang because they hate her and her politics. This shouldn't be a surprise at all. Many right here accuse Obama of crimes he did not commit almost daily for the exact same reasons, they just personally hate him very much. I personally don't see any connection but I do see the violence that other right wing news pundits spout off all of the time. Should a few Faux News contributors have been charged in the death of Dr. Tillman for their outright support of his murder? After all they did everything accept pull the trigger. I don't know truthfully where free speech ends and incitement begins. I don't think they should be charged w/ a crime but it's clear that many on the far right contributed to this man's murder.
I posted a link to what his peers label him as, what else do you need? Do you really think the liberal media wants the truth out there for everyone to see? You are drunk on the kool-aid Suns.

Of course liberals hate Palin for her politics, but how can she in any way, shape, or form be blamed for the shooting in AZ? Liberals are sick.
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So Olbermann leans way left and this is news how? You have proved nothing.

Watching Olbermann, Maddow, or that fat guy is so masturbatory. No different opinions just a bunch of lefties slapping each other on the back.
Just like watching Limbaugh, Hannity, etc al... w/ their soft ball questions. A circle jerk if I've ever seen one. They all suck due to their extremism. So what? The difference is that I see that they are both all jacked up while you somehow think only one side is whack. That tells me you are the one that has drank the Kool -Aid. The Conservative Kool-Aid.

How about this little nugget: Obama's approval rating is something like 48% right now w/ a 9.5% (just dropped again) unemployment rating and the longest recession since the 1930's. That's higher that most POTUS's in good economic times. You have no clue how strong this president is w/ the general public. At this point w/ the improving economy and the constant Republican missteps he is practically a shoe-in to win 2012.

You guys ever watch Dylan Rattigan? Hard to catch cause it's a middle of the day program but I like this guy. Check him out of you get a chance.

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WTF are you even talking about with your left wing psycho-babble? Lets try to keep on topic here, go give your boy a verbal BJ in another thread.
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Your response as usual is juvenile and simplistic. I suppose I don't even know what in my post you are referring to. Could you trying to be more specific by quoting what I said and providing some facts or info to back up your opinion?

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