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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 11-26-2010, 01:29 AM Thread Starter
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George Washington

This is his actual statement, 1789. Those that doubt the founding fathers intent, can kiss my ass!!!


Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:" Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us. And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A.D. 1789.

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Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics: C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (Episcopalian, after the Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists, the total number being 49. Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Thomas Jefferson (who created the "Jefferson Bible"), and Benjamin Franklin. However, other notable founders, such as Patrick Henry, were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to those of deists.
Some, but not all of them. However considering the times they lived in it's no wonder that most of them were religious.

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I find it strange that so many oppose the fact that a large number of the founding fathers were not just religious(it's such a broad and meaningless word) but were Bible believing Christians. Why so defensive? On top of that terms are thrown around like "deist" to try and muddy the water about the true beliefs of the founding fathers. Luckily for anyone who cares to read, there is beyond a wealth of writings by the founding fathers that leave no doubt about their beliefs. The argument that some were this and some were that is of moot point to those who educate themselves. To the rest, it is a point of leverage to try and loosen the firm foundation of Christian belief that this country was built upon.

To the comment about the times they lived in driving them toward "religious" beliefs I simply say that there is nothing new under the sun. Each generation has had the same issues, the same fears and the same questions about who they are, where they came from and where they are going. Advancements in science, technology or education will not change any of those things.

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What people seem to be confused about is that these men practiced and encouraged religion and religious beliefs.... yet at the same time intentionally removed direct religious influence out of the government, AND direct government influence out of religion.

Sit an ponder that for a while next time anyone says we are a "Christian Nation"...... because we are not. And in case anyone is still confused, then feel free to post up the exact text of the Constitution of the United States that says we are a "Christian Nation".

What we really are is a country founded on freedom of religion (and freedom from religion), but just happen to be predominantly Christian.

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What people seem to be confused about is that these men practiced and encouraged religion and religious beliefs.... yet at the same time intentionally removed direct religious influence out of the government, AND direct government influence out of religion.

Sit an ponder that for a while next time anyone says we are a "Christian Nation"...... because we are not. And in case anyone is still confused, then feel free to post up the exact text of the Constitution of the United States that says we are a "Christian Nation".

What we really are is a country founded on freedom of religion (and freedom from religion), but just happen to be predominantly Christian.
Actually, that is not true at all. They did not take religion out of government. They made it the basis of their beliefs in government and freedom. There was no religion but Christianity in this country at the time. Read all of the Federalist Papers, they are the instructions to our Constitution and are very revealing of the founders intents.


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Actually, that is not true at all. They did not take religion out of government. They made it the basis of their beliefs in government and freedom. There was no religion but Christianity in this country at the time. Read all of the Federalist Papers, they are the instructions to our Constitution and are very revealing of the founders intents.
Obviously you haven't read the Federalist Papers, because they specifically, and several times repeat, the intention of keeping religion and government separate.

If you read the Federalist Papers, you would have known that.

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Obviously you haven't read the Federalist Papers, because they specifically, and several times repeat, the intention of keeping religion and government separate.

If you read the Federalist Papers, you would have known that.
Nope, what I said is accurate.


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Nope, what I said is accurate.
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You came on my post trying to say that I was wrong, so you prove your point. Post up all those links to modern atheists and liberals picking through every little minor point that they can.


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