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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I believe we all know that SCOTUS, in Heller vs DC, confirmed that the 2nd protects the US Citizen's right to keep and bear arms regardless of the prefatory clause. Roberts did a very good job disecting the verbage and even a couple of the desents agreed with his take on the meaning of the 2nd.

Over the next few years there will be more cases coming in front of the courts to decide what is reasonable regulations and then what will move over into infringement of our rights. There are several pending cases that will be more monumental than Heller or McDonald(v Chicago).

With that said, where do you all feel reasonable regulation moves to infringement?

Here just a bit of what I believe

Background checks - With the current background checks being instant I am not so sure this infringes on anyone's right but with costs continuing to rise it is just a matter of time. The costs for a background check must remain minimal and since tax dollars put the infrastructure in to begin with this should just about be a free service. We paid for it up front and we continue to pay through tax dollars, why should we also pay a fee?

Carry licenses - GA is a shall issue state meaning unless there is a disqualifier you will get your license but some states are may issue meaning it is up to an individual whether or not you get a license, most places the She#### decides. Our fees went to $75 this year. That is an infringement. Some people just can't afford a license. Should the poor be deprived of a right?

Required training - Luckily in GA we don't have a requirement for training. Many are advocates for such training but it gets exepensive fast. GA does not have licensees accidently shooting others which is what training is suppose to prevent. I really do believe it is a lost cause and at the cost is an infringement

Off limit places / Gun Free Zones - This is my biggest issue for me personally. To remain law abiding, when I go to the United States Post Office I must remove my weapon from my person and my vehicle. For someone who carries daily and ships stuff regularly this is a huge inconvience. Plus, it doesn't stop the non-law abiding citizen. K-12 schools were somewhat relaxed this year but college campuses are still a no-no. As history has shown, those willing to wreak havoc can do so unimpeded. 15 states somewhat allow college campus carry and Utah allows it 100%. We don't hear about students killing students, etc, etc.

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In the governor's race here in Tennessee.....Bill Haslam has made a statement...(in hopes of getting elected I'm sure)....

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NASHVILLE — Republican gubernatorial candidate Bill Haslam told a Nashville meeting of the Tennessee Firearms Association that if lawmakers abolished the handgun-carry permit system and allowed people to go armed without permits, he would sign it into law.

Now his record doesn't quite reflect that enthusiasm.....The NRA rated his stance on gun policy as a B- meaning he is generally a pro-gun candidate but has opposed some pro-gun reform or may have supported some restrictive legislation.

IMO, I believe that since Osama has managed to get another liberal judge on the SCOTUS we will begin to see more and more cases brought before the court.

Something else that has occurred to me...and this could be a bit bizarre but bear with me. The liberals/democRATS are NOT really against guns like they pretend to be.

Think about it....in a worse case scenario the fact that so many U.S. citizens are armed would make it very easy for the POTUS to declare a state of Marshal Law to gain control of the population........impossible?......maybe, maybe not.....

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I think it's all horsesh*t. It's a right period, I don't need a dam Philadelphia lawyer to tell me what it says. I have a RIGHT to keep & bear arms.

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IMO, I believe that since Osama has managed to get another liberal judge on the SCOTUS we will begin to see more and more cases brought before the court.
The leaning of the SCOTUS has not changed.

Sotomayer and Kagan simply replaced two left leaning judges.

In fact, some observers say that Robert's court is............ the most conservative ever.

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The leaning of the SCOTUS has not changed.

Sotomayer and Kagan simply replaced two left leaning judges.

In fact, some observers say that Robert's court is............ the most conservative ever.

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Now that is good news.....Thanks Ricky...you made my day..! Let's just pray that it remains that way for all our sakes. As soon as the Repubecans(sic) take back Congress.........."damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"....

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With that said, where do you all feel reasonable regulation moves to infringement?

Here just a bit of what I believe

Background checks - With the current background checks being instant I am not so sure this infringes on anyone's right but with costs continuing to rise it is just a matter of time. The costs for a background check must remain minimal and since tax dollars put the infrastructure in to begin with this should just about be a free service. We paid for it up front and we continue to pay through tax dollars, why should we also pay a fee? Tax money also goes toward National Parks, yet there is often a fee to use them. What's the diff?

Carry licenses - GA is a shall issue state meaning unless there is a disqualifier you will get your license but some states are may issue meaning it is up to an individual whether or not you get a license, most places the She#### decides. Our fees went to $75 this year. That is an infringement. Some people just can't afford a license. Should the poor be deprived of a right? If a person can afford to buy a gun and ammo, then they should be able to afford $75. If they can't, maybe they should look at doing something else.

Required training - Luckily in GA we don't have a requirement for training. Many are advocates for such training but it gets exepensive fast. GA does not have licensees accidently shooting others which is what training is suppose to prevent. I really do believe it is a lost cause and at the cost is an infringement I don't have a problem at all with training. If you can't afford to pass a class, you shouldn't be allowed to carry.

Off limit places / Gun Free Zones - This is my biggest issue for me personally. To remain law abiding, when I go to the United States Post Office I must remove my weapon from my person and my vehicle. For someone who carries daily and ships stuff regularly this is a huge inconvience. Plus, it doesn't stop the non-law abiding citizen. K-12 schools were somewhat relaxed this year but college campuses are still a no-no. As history has shown, those willing to wreak havoc can do so unimpeded. 15 states somewhat allow college campus carry and Utah allows it 100%. We don't hear about students killing students, etc, etc. Once again, a little inconvenience for keeping guns out of bars, schools, etc.....doesn't seem to be a big deal to me.



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Now that is good news.....Thanks Ricky...you made my day..! Let's just pray that it remains that way for all our sakes. As soon as the Repubecans(sic) take back Congress.........."damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead"....
Be careful of what you wish for.

This is the same court makeup that ruled imminent domain can be used by local authorities to build a shopping mall (yes, your house can be taken, torn down and a Starbucks built) as well as saying that foreign campaign donations are fine.


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Be careful of what you wish for.

This is the same court makeup that ruled imminent domain can be used by local authorities to build a shopping mall (yes, your house can be taken, torn down and a Starbucks built) as well as saying that foreign campaign donations are fine.


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As long as they pay you market value for your property Rick.

You always leave that part out. Its not like they are taking your house and throwing you out on your ass.

Theres also hearings involved in the emininent domain process.

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Be careful of what you wish for.

This is the same court makeup that ruled imminent domain can be used by local authorities to build a shopping mall (yes, your house can be taken, torn down and a Starbucks built) as well as saying that foreign campaign donations are fine.


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No worries mate.....I live so far out..... they ain't gonna want my land for a mall. I live so far out that my zip code is...... E I E I O....

Plus that ruling allows for the possibility of getting rid of some slums that were created by a failed democratic socialist agenda.

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Tax money also goes toward National Parks, yet there is often a fee to use them. What's the diff? Show me your right to national parks

If a person can afford to buy a gun and ammo, then they should be able to afford $75. If they can't, maybe they should look at doing something else. Jim Crow laws at their best

If you can't afford to pass a class, you shouldn't be allowed to carry. Again, typical Jim Crow laws

Once again, a little inconvenience for keeping guns out of bars, schools, etc.....doesn't seem to be a big deal to me. But is it working? Nope. So why disarm the law abiding?



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