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BERLIN (AFP) Germany's attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country's immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.

Merkel weighed in for the first time in a blistering debate sparked by a central bank board member saying the country was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants.

"Multikulti", the concept that "we are now living side by side and are happy about it," does not work, Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam near Berlin.

"This approach has failed, totally," she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany's culture and values.

"We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," said the chancellor.

"Subsidising immigrants" isn't sufficient, Germany has the right to "make demands" on them, she added, such as mastering the language of Goethe and abandoning practices such as forced marriages.

Merkel spoke a week after talks with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in which they pledged to do more to improve the often poor integration record of Germany's 2.5-million-strong Turkish community.

Turkish President Abdullah Gul, in a weekend interview, also urged the Turkish community living in Germany to master the language of their adopted country.

"When one doesn't speak the language of the country in which one lives that doesn't serve anyone, neither the person concerned, the country, nor the society," the Turkish president told the Suedeutsche Zeitung.

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The language is an actual issue. You must be able to communicate, and entering into a pre-existing culture you must make yourself compatible by learning that language. Spot on.

However, unless you want to see the rebirth of the inquisition, people getting tortured to death, heads cut off, so on and so forth, for no other reason than religious intolerance, then you need to be very, very leery of the ties between church and state implied above.
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Which religion is still stuck in the stone ages at this point though Charles? I don't see any crusades on behalf of the Christians in this day and age.......
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The language is an actual issue. You must be able to communicate, and entering into a pre-existing culture you must make yourself compatible by learning that language. Spot on.

However, unless you want to see the rebirth of the inquisition, people getting tortured to death, heads cut off, so on and so forth, for no other reason than religious intolerance, then you need to be very, very leery of the ties between church and state implied above.
Yeah, that seems to be a big issue with Christians these days..........
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The language is an actual issue. You must be able to communicate, and entering into a pre-existing culture you must make yourself compatible by learning that language. Spot on.

However, unless you want to see the rebirth of the inquisition, people getting tortured to death, heads cut off, so on and so forth, for no other reason than religious intolerance, then you need to be very, very leery of the ties between church and state implied above.
That is a rather extreme and archaic view even from you Chas..........In my opinion the problem in this country has moved, or is moving, to the extreme opposite polar end in which anything and everything is deemed acceptable. In turn comes degradation and polarization of society.

There are those of us...in great numbers.....who still hold to the ideals, whether Christian or perhaps simply morally appropriate, on which the founding fathers based the government of a new and free nation. They held those ideals almost sacred, but had the foresight to prevent them from becoming an inveiglement into state sponsored church.

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To me that is a pretty silly statement, it's not about embracing Christian values, but embracing German values, and German values does not necessarily equal Christian values...

It's the same as saying that when you move to Norway you'd have to embrace Christian values cause we're a Christian country... When only people born before during and right after WW2 are christians, but we have a state church so you're kinda automagically a protestant at birth whether you like it or not.

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Which religion is still stuck in the stone ages at this point though Charles? I don't see any crusades on behalf of the Christians in this day and age.......
Which religion hasn't since been stripped of the power to do such things?







The only religion I can think of that still has some power to execute their ideals would be the Muslims, which as a group are literally terrorizing the entire planet at present.

You allow any major religion the ability to wield power like the Catholic Church once had, and you would see the same issues again arise in short order.

I mean, what do you think the point of Protestant religion was??? To get away from the raging psychopathic killer religion that just about brainwashed an entire planet before being stripped of power.


The naivety in some of the later comments in this thread is astounding.
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Yeah, that seems to be a big issue with Christians these days..........

As above, Christians don't have the power to do so anymore. Hence the existence of explicit wording in our constitution precisely separating church from state.

It was no accident that our forefathers sought to hedge off the very issue some of you seem 100% oblivious to in this thread.
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WE in the states used to have that! you move here you speak the language. Now You get looked side ways if you ask somebody to speak to you in English? My ultimate favorite! They move here spit on everything American! Then you ask why don't you move back? You get admonished for being disrespectful, and they will also say there are no jobs where they are from!


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