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Amnesty, seperation of church & state, doesn't exist

I am going to give Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi the benefit of the doubt that she was not giving this speech in an official capacity and she was speaking to Clerics from her on beliefs.

A church must be very careful preaching on politics as they will lose their non-profit status. Here we have an elected official asking, telling, the Catholic church they must preach amnesty.

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“I want you to instruct your, whatever the communication is -- the people, some of them, oppose immigration reform are sitting in those pews and you have to tell them that this is a ‘manifestation of our living the gospels.’ Our patron saint of San Francisco, St. Francis of Assisi, he said, ‘Preach the gospel - sometimes use words.’ We need the words to be said because it isn’t being picked up automatically,”

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i would like to know,what they mean by immigration reform
im all for imigration reform,but i dought the kind of reform i have in mind
is the same as,what they have in mind

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i would like to know,what they mean by immigration reform
im all for imigration reform,but i dought the kind of reform i have in mind
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Me too.

Her speech using the pulpit to drum up political support for immigration was dumb. However, the title of the link is deceiving. Not once did she ever mention amnesty.

Not to say that amnesty won't happen, as like her or not (I hate her personally) she does have a point. What will we do about the 12 million illegal immigrants who are already in this country once immigration reform is passed? I mean, they are here, so what do we do? It's impossible to round them all up, and to tell them to go home... well good luck getting that to work.

Like it or not, any immigration reform is going to include some steps or some legislation to get the illegals who are already here, legal. Whether it's amnesty, whether it's a fast-track to legal status, whatever. Something will be put together. It's impossible not to address the 800 lbs gorilla in the room.

Reagan ran into the same problem when he signed immigration reform into law during his administration. As a result, he ended up granting amnesty to a large number of illegals.

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Me too.

Her speech using the pulpit to drum up political support for immigration was dumb. However, the title of the link is deceiving. Not once did she ever mention amnesty.

Not to say that amnesty won't happen, as like her or not (I hate her personally) she does have a point. What will we do about the 12 million illegal immigrants who are already in this country once immigration reform is passed? I mean, they are here, so what do we do? It's impossible to round them all up, and to tell them to go home... well good luck getting that to work.

Like it or not, any immigration reform is going to include some steps or some legislation to get the illegals who are already here, legal. Whether it's amnesty, whether it's a fast-track to legal status, whatever. Something will be put together. It's impossible not to address the 800 lbs gorilla in the room.

Reagan ran into the same problem when he signed immigration reform into law during his administration. As a result, he ended up granting amnesty to a large number of illegals.

Here is how you fix it... find them, send them home, let them get in line like the rest who have done it legally, and wait there turn.

No "fast track" no Amnesty... You broke the law, now deal with it...

Hey, I wont pay my taxes for the next ten years, then they can give me amnesty and all will be right in the world right?

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Here is how you fix it... find them, send them home, let them get in line like the rest who have done it legally, and wait there turn.

No "fast track" no Amnesty... You broke the law, now deal with it...

Hey, I wont pay my taxes for the next ten years, then they can give me amnesty and all will be right in the world right?
There is one problem with that. In the Obama plan they pay a fine and all their back taxes and learn English. If we just kick them out, we are paying for their lawless entry. They should pay for it, and if they don't pay then kick them out.
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Here is how you fix it... find them, send them home, let them get in line like the rest who have done it legally, and wait there turn.

No "fast track" no Amnesty... You broke the law, now deal with it...
Hey, I wont pay my taxes for the next ten years, then they can give me amnesty and all will be right in the world right?


I've seen so many people on TV say "well, you're not going to get rid of them...so let them be legal".

WHY THE HECK DO WE WANT TO KEEP LAWBREAKERS IN THIS COUNTRY????

If you started at a new job, and the first thing you did was break the biggest rule in the book, what company is going to let you stay?? So we're going to allow people who have no regard for laws to stay in the country, and we'll blame businesses for enticing them here.

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There is one problem with that. In the Obama plan they pay a fine and all their back taxes and learn English. If we just kick them out, we are paying for their lawless entry. They should pay for it, and if they don't pay then kick them out.

And that is just laughable... You really think they have the money to pay back a years worth of taxes? How many years have they been here illegally???

I can see it now...

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10 year illegal alien "Me? Who me? I no speak... Taxes? no, I pay... One month been here"

What ever... Send there asses home and start at the end of the line.

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And that is just laughable... You really think they have the money to pay back a years worth of taxes? How many years have they been here illegally???

I can see it now...

Tax man "how long have you not paid taxes"

10 year illegal alien "Me? Who me? I no speak... Taxes? no, I pay... One month been here"

What ever... Send there asses home and start at the end of the line.
We are still flipping the bill. The real problem is that there are tons of farmers that employ these guys. If there were no demand then there would be no illegal's. The farmers, and others ,have records that must be up to date, and there are accountants that figure that crap out. Plus the fine. I think that we have paid enough for the illegals and the people that employ them. It is time for the ones who break the law to pay for it, not get kicked over the border just to sneek back in. Then we pay to kick them out over and over and over.
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We are still flipping the bill. The real problem is that en there would be no illegal's. The farmers, and others ,have records that must be up to date, and there are accountants that figure that crap out. Plus the fine. I think that we have paid enough for the illegals and the people that employ them. It is time for the ones who break the law to pay for it, not get kicked over the border just to sneek back in. Then we pay to kick them out over and over and over.
From an employer standpoint, what avenue do they have to verify someone's identity?

E-verify ONLY tells you that the social security number isn't a match, but won't go into detail due to privacy laws. What do you do then? You can only tell the individual that their information wasn't matched, and then they give you different documents. You can't fire them, you'll get slapped with a suite so fast you're head will spin.

So please, you guys that want to vilify businesses, give them the tools to go to battle, and THEN hold them accountable after a reasonable period of time to allow them to cleanse their ranks.

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We are still flipping the bill. The real problem is that there are tons of farmers that employ these guys. If there were no demand then there would be no illegal's. The farmers, and others ,have records that must be up to date, and there are accountants that figure that crap out. Plus the fine. I think that we have paid enough for the illegals and the people that employ them. It is time for the ones who break the law to pay for it, not get kicked over the border just to sneek back in. Then we pay to kick them out over and over and over.
What records do these farmers have for there illegal workers?

You go back to the fine... Most if not all dont have any money... What are you going to do if they dont pay the fine? Put them in jail? Or give them a pass, because they are the poor illegal worker...


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