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post #1 of 81 (permalink) Old 05-11-2010, 04:35 PM Thread Starter
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WWI Memorial Cross Stolen...............

WWI memorial cross stolen from Mojave National Preserve

WASHINGTON — Vandals toppled and removed the 8-foot-high cross at Mojave National Preserve in California less than two weeks after the Supreme Court ruled the controversial memorial could remain on federal property.

The cross, which has stood in various forms for the last 76 years as a memorial to World War I soldiers, was stolen late Sunday night or early Monday morning, according to officials from the Liberty Institute, a conservative advocacy group that deals with church-state issues. In a statement Kelly Shackelford, the group’s president, called the actions “disgusting.”

Vandals cut through a series of metal bolts to remove the cross — still covered by a wooden box — from its concrete foundation.

The cross had been covered with plywood for 10 years as the legal fight surrounding the memorial wound through the courts. Officials from the Liberty Institute argued in favor of allowing the memorial to stand, saying that censoring the cross violated veterans’ freedom of speech and religion.

On April 28, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that the memorial did not warrant removal as an overtly religious symbol, and did not represent government endorsement of a specific religion.

In his opinion of support, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote that “the Constitution does not oblige government to avoid any public acknowledgment of religion’s role in society” and compared the cross to the those that serve as headstones for troops killed in many American wars................

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Hope the catch the a$$holes.




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What the hell? Do we not bury people under the cross?

I do not believe, but I am sick of the rest of the damn country trying to erase everything this country was built on...

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WTF? Not only should they be caught, but death by firing squad would almost be justified with how wrong their actions were.

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While I hope they catch and prosecute whomever the vandals were, I don't agree with the 5-4 decision to allow it to remain on public land.

Although the conservative leaning SCOTUS ruling was predictable, it is also obvious that a consensus on why........... is not so clear.

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In Wednesday's case, six justices wrote separate opinions and none spoke for a majority of the court.

In dissent, Justice John Paul Stevens agreed that soldiers who died in battle deserve a memorial to their service. But the government "cannot lawfully do so by continued endorsement of a starkly sectarian message," Stevens said.

Muslim and Jewish war veteran groups complained in court papers that they view the Mojave cross as a religious symbol that excludes them. The Jewish War Veterans called the cross "a powerful Christian symbol" and "not a symbol of any other religion."
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Don't respond to Gandy's post above people, he is just trying to change the subject and trolling

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While I hope they catch and prosecute whomever the vandals were, I don't agree with the 5-4 decision to allow it to remain on public land.

Although the conservative leaning SCOTUS ruling was predictable, it is also obvious that a consensus on why........... is not so clear.



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Absolutely bloody amazing.
As I recall reading, it was the jews that screamed CRUCIFY HIM. How much more relevant to their religion can it get? Even though death by crucifiction was a Roman invention, the roman governor was willing to put a thief & murder to death instead of Christ. But to please the people, Christ was crucified.

Even in the generic sense, the cross as a symbol over a grave (or graves) has always indicated to me that the person for whom it represents sacrificed themself for something or someone.

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Even in the generic sense, the cross as a symbol over a grave (or graves) has always indicated to me that the person for whom it represents sacrificed themself for something or someone.



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Don't respond to Gandy's post above people, he is just trying to change the subject and trolling
Change the subject? Trolling?

Isn't the whole thing about the fact that a sectarian symbol....................... is on public land?

If it was just about some vandals messing with someone else's property...........Tbar wouldn't have bothered posting it in the first place.

And as I said, the vandals should be prosecuted...................just as any thief/vandal should.


PS. I like the way you think you can control other people by telling them not to post. How about you start with controlling yourself and refrain from posting?

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