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post #1 of 50 (permalink) Old 04-15-2010, 03:27 AM Thread Starter
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Centrists are they real?

Do centrists really exist or are they like Santa Clause? Why is it that if you lean right of center your a right wing extremist? If you believe in capitalism or conservatism, your a right wing extremist? Why is it if someone calls you a right winger, you just chuckle? Call me a right winger, I don't care. Actually I might take it as a complement.

Now you call yourself a centrist, why is it you lean left in your views? Health care anyone? Why do you care if someone calls you liberal? Why does that get your panties all bunched up? If your compassionate and support Health Care, Welfare, EIC and other programs as such, why do you fly off the deep end when someone calls you a liberal, because you are. Why are you ashamed of your views, if they are your views who cares?

I honestly don't think centrists exist, if you say your one, your just lying to your self. I'm not saying you have to support every thing the Republican or Democratic Party stands for, but you lean either right or left. Same goes for independents, you might label your self independent, but you still lean left or right. I'm an independent, but I lean to the right, so if you call me a right winger, it really means nothing to me. I agree with most of the Republican views, but I don't agree with the hard core Republican position of abortion, doesn't mean I support abortion, because I don't, but I also don't think the government has the right to say if it is legal or illegal.

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For whatever reason, you seem to think that "Centrist" means you have to be in the 'middle' on every issue.

It doesn't.

What it really means is that depending on the issue, you can lean either left or right.......just not out on the wings (see: "Wingnut" ).

Centrist = Moderate.

I have yet to see you post anything that wasn't pretty far out to the right so...............anything short of that would of course look liberal/left to you.

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For whatever reason, you seem to think that "Centrist" means you have to be in the 'middle' on every issue.

It doesn't.

What it really means is that depending on the issue, you can lean either left or right.......just not out on the wings (see: "Wingnut" ).

Centrist = Moderate.

I have yet to see you post anything that wasn't pretty far out to the right so...............anything short of that would of course look liberal/left to you.
Most of my posts I have to defend Conservatism from "centrist" such as your self, so yes they probably do come off as right leaning.

It will only let me go back 250 posts, but I remember bashing Bush for the Patriot Act. I really didn't care for Lincoln and his using slaves as a pawn for the civil war. He was the first Republican President BTW.


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Bush did a good job of keeping us safe, but at the cost of some of our freedoms
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I do lean to the right so call me a right winger, but thanks for proving my point, people that call themselves centrists are liberals

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I'm still waiting for someone to show where I have posted that I'm a liberal, or support radical liberal views.

And yes, centrist/moderates do exist. In fact, they are the majority of Americans. That's a concept that extremists can't comprehend. Left or right wing extremists, they are the same, and they live in denial that most Americans are closer to the middle and make up a much larger group than any other section of the political spectrum.

I also can't figure out why if someone isn't a right-wing extremist, then they are automatically a left wing liberal tree hugging socialist communist. Makes zero sense to me.

I also can't figure out why if someone isn't a left-wing ultra liberal extremist, then they are automatically a fascists racist homophobic trigger happy Nazi. Again it makes zero sense to me.

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Do centrists really exist or are they like Santa Clause? Why is it that if you lean right of center your a right wing extremist? If you believe in capitalism or conservatism, your a right wing extremist? Why is it if someone calls you a right winger, you just chuckle? Call me a right winger, I don't care. Actually I might take it as a complement.

Now you call yourself a centrist, why is it you lean left in your views? Health care anyone? Why do you care if someone calls you liberal? Why does that get your panties all bunched up? If your compassionate and support Health Care, Welfare, EIC and other programs as such, why do you fly off the deep end when someone calls you a liberal, because you are. Why are you ashamed of your views, if they are your views who cares?

I honestly don't think centrists exist, if you say your one, your just lying to your self. I'm not saying you have to support every thing the Republican or Democratic Party stands for, but you lean either right or left. Same goes for independents, you might label your self independent, but you still lean left or right. I'm an independent, but I lean to the right, so if you call me a right winger, it really means nothing to me. I agree with most of the Republican views, but I don't agree with the hard core Republican position of abortion, doesn't mean I support abortion, because I don't, but I also don't think the government has the right to say if it is legal or illegal.
My point is illustrated perfectly in your post. If you aren't a right-winger, you're automatically a person who "leans left in your views"... according to your assumptions.

Myself personally, I would challenge anyone to find any post where I supported the healthcare bill. I've posted many many times my views on healthcare, and the way that I personally see how it should be fixed. Apparently my views on health care reform are so conservative, that even right-wingers can't figure it out.

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Do centrists really exist or are they like Santa Clause? Why is it that if you lean right of center your a right wing extremist? If you believe in capitalism or conservatism, your a right wing extremist? Why is it if someone calls you a right winger, you just chuckle? Call me a right winger, I don't care. Actually I might take it as a complement.

Now you call yourself a centrist, why is it you lean left in your views? Health care anyone? Why do you care if someone calls you liberal? Why does that get your panties all bunched up? If your compassionate and support Health Care, Welfare, EIC and other programs as such, why do you fly off the deep end when someone calls you a liberal, because you are. Why are you ashamed of your views, if they are your views who cares?

I honestly don't think centrists exist, if you say your one, your just lying to your self. I'm not saying you have to support every thing the Republican or Democratic Party stands for, but you lean either right or left. Same goes for independents, you might label your self independent, but you still lean left or right. I'm an independent, but I lean to the right, so if you call me a right winger, it really means nothing to me. I agree with most of the Republican views, but I don't agree with the hard core Republican position of abortion, doesn't mean I support abortion, because I don't, but I also don't think the government has the right to say if it is legal or illegal.
Ducati..........

Its early and I am only on my first cup of coffee but here goes.......

On this bb the "liberals posing as centrist" are a facade from which to cast stones at the right. You can see through this facade by their actions.

A true moderate would have some common ground and some dissent with both parties. You only need look at which side of their house all the stones lie to see their true colors.

To bad these people give "true moderates" a bad name.....


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T-Bar: you wouldn't know a moderate if they were staring you in the face.

You are so far right that anyone with a less severe view.............looks like a flaming liberal to you.

Ducati: Let me give a few examples of what constitutes a 'moderate.'

GUNS:

Far right - Any and all guns should be legal. Including full auto assault rifles.

Far left - All guns should be banned.

Moderate - We should have the right to bear arms but, reasonable controls should be in place such as registration and very limited full auto's in private hands.

BUSINESS:

Far right - Leave business alone so that they can make money, pretty much any way possible. If they are successful, then some of it will eventually trickle down to others.

Far left - All business should be tightly controlled and prices/services set by the government.

Moderate - Allow capitalism to work, while ensuring that predatory practices are not allowed that hurt the common person.


WELFARE:

Far right - Welfare should be left to only churces and whomever wants to help other American citizens. If they happen to be black and not as many are helped.....tough chit.

Far left - Welfare should go to anyone who wants it and there should not be a requirement to ever try to get off of it.

Moderate - Welfare should be for those who truly need it but, there should be a path in place to become self-sufficient.


UNIONS:

Far right - Unions should not exist in any form or shape. They just get in the way of treating employees any way the business chooses.

Far left - Every industry should be controlled by unions so that business does not take advantage of the workers.

Moderate - Unions should have the right to form as a safeguard against unscrupulous employers. However, a company should not have to be a closed shop where every employee is a union member.


DEFENSE:

Far right - As the most powerful nation on the planet, we have the right to meddle anywhere we want and force should be the first option......not the last.

Far left - Force should only be used if someone is attacking our country and we should reduce our military.

Moderate - We should maintain a strong military but, only use it judiciously and when it is needed to mitigate a clear and present danger to our country.




These are but a few examples the way I see it and I could of course go on forever.

So you see..................... WE DO EXIST.

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T-Bar: you wouldn't know a moderate if they were staring you in the face.

You are so far right that anyone with a less severe view.............looks like a flaming liberal to you.

Ducati: Let me give a few examples of what constitutes a 'moderate.'

GUNS:

Far right - Any and all guns should be legal. Including full auto assault rifles.

Far left - All guns should be banned.

Moderate - We should have the right to bear arms but, reasonable controls should be in place such as registration and very limited full auto's in private hands. What is the purpose of this right?

BUSINESS:

Far right - Leave business alone so that they can make money, pretty much any way possible. If they are successful, then some of it will eventually trickle down to others.

Far left - All business should be tightly controlled and prices/services set by the government.

Moderate - Allow capitalism to work, while ensuring that predatory practices are not allowed that hurt the common person. What do you consider predatory?


WELFARE:

Far right - Welfare should be left to only churces and whomever wants to help other American citizens. If they happen to be black and not as many are helped.....tough chit.

Far left - Welfare should go to anyone who wants it and there should not be a requirement to ever try to get off of it.

Moderate - Welfare should be for those who truly need it but, there should be a path in place to become self-sufficient. What type of path? What happens if they one does not become self-sufficient? What if they have children?


UNIONS:

Far right - Unions should not exist in any form or shape. They just get in the way of treating employees any way the business chooses.

Far left - Every industry should be controlled by unions so that business does not take advantage of the workers.

Moderate - Unions should have the right to form as a safeguard against unscrupulous employers. However, a company should not have to be a closed shop where every employee is a union member. Should unions have the right to strike for better wages which could harm the company, given of course the wages are already = to or better than others in the same industry? Should companies be able to lay off or fire union workers when they strike?


DEFENSE:

Far right - As the most powerful nation on the planet, we have the right to meddle anywhere we want and force should be the first option......not the last.

Far left - Force should only be used if someone is attacking our country and we should reduce our military.

Moderate - We should maintain a strong military but, only use it judiciously and when it is needed to mitigate a clear and present danger to our country.




These are but a few examples the way I see it and I could of course go on forever.

So you see..................... WE DO EXIST.
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No you don't. He simply gave some examples. Very quick, short examples simply to illustrate how the political spectrum works. In terms of political views, there is no "black and white", "my way or the wrong way", or any of that BS. There is a middle ground, and that's what Gandy was simply trying to point out. Extremists can't seem to understand that concept.

Asking Gandy to go into detail with more information means to try and validate each position and their stance. That wasn't the purpose of his post. He wasn't trying to validate any particular stance, or prove which one is best or which one is the right stance. He's simply pointing out how views can be one side, or the other, or in the middle.

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Thanks Curtis.

At least you get it.

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