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When do you say this isn't about health care?

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Obamacare prescription: 'Emergency health army'

Force subject to 'involuntary calls to active duty' during 'public crises'

Posted: March 25, 2010
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President Obama's recently passed health-care reform legislation includes a surprise for many Americans – a beefing up of a U.S. Public Health Service reserve force and expectations that it respond on short notice to "routine public health and emergency response missions," even involuntarily.
According to Section 5210 of HR 3590, titled "Establishing a Ready Reserve Corps," the force must be ready for "involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises."
The health-care legislation adds millions of dollars for recruitment and amends Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204), passed July 1, 1944, during Franklin D. Roosevelt's presidency. The U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is one of the seven uniformed services in the U.S. However, Obama's changes more than double the wording of the Section 203 and dub individuals who are currently classified as officers in the Reserve Corps commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
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The following is the previous wording of the act as of 2004, before Democrats passed the health-care legislation:

Wording of Section 203 of Public Health Service Act before Obamacare amendment

The U.S. Public Health Service website describes its commissioned corps as "an elite team of more than 6,000 full-time, well-trained, highly qualified public health professionals dedicated to delivering the nation's public health promotion and disease prevention programs and advancing public health science."
According to its mission page, officers of the commissioned corps may:
  • Provide essential public health and health care services to underserved and disadvantaged populations
  • Prevent and control injury and the spread of disease
  • Ensure that the nation's food supply, drinking water, drugs, medical devices and environment are safe
  • Conduct and support cutting-edge research for the prevention, treatment and elimination of disease, health disparities and injury
  • Work with other nations and international agencies to address global health challenges
  • Provide urgently needed public health and clinical expertise in response to large-scale local, regional and national public health emergencies and disasters
Members are trained to respond to public health situations and national emergency events, such as natural disasters, disease outbreaks and terrorist attacks.
As stated in the health-care legislation, "The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service's reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions."
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Don't you remember he was going to build a civilian force equal to the US forces. He told you and they voted so here it comes.

Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO:
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."


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Looks like ammo will be hard to keep in stock again this summer, prices will stay up. Guess it is time to buy a box of ammo every time you go to the sporting goods store.

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Aaaahahahahahaha!!!!! World Net Daily. Wow I can't believe people still read that crap. Please excuse me as I attempt to hold back my laughter.

What a piss poor article. The author of the article tries to correlate section 5210 with a statement made by Obama back in 2008 that WND has been for years trying to prove that the president is trying to create a "civilian national security force". WND's claims are false, and it all started by taking one sentence Obama said completely out of context.

Let's put what Obama actually said in context, and you guys can see for yourself how badly WND is skewing the story:

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Obama, July 2, Colorado Springs, CO:
[As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.

We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We'll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You'll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You'll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.
Obama was not talking about creating a new force. He simply proposed expanding current programs that are already in existence, and have been in existence for years.

Here is a link to AmeriCorps and what they do, which has been around since 1993: AmeriCorps.gov > What Is AmeriCorps?
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AmeriCorps members address critical needs in communities all across America. As an AmeriCorps member, you can:

Tutor and mentor disadvantaged youth
Fight illiteracy
Improve health services
Build affordable housing
Teach computer skills
Clean parks and streams
Manage or operate after-school programs
Help communities respond to disasters
Build organizational capacity
As you can see, AmeriCorps is NOT a "security force".

Also in that speech, Obama was talking about the Foreign Service. Here is a link that describes the function of the Foreign Service:
U.S. Department of State Careers - About Us

Again, the Foreign Service is NOT a "security force".

Next is the Peace Corps, and here is a link that describes what they do:
What Is the Peace Corps? | About the Peace Corps | Peace Corps
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The Peace Corps traces its roots and mission to 1960, when then Senator John F. Kennedy challenged students at the University of Michigan to serve their country in the cause of peace by living and working in developing countries. From that inspiration grew an agency of the federal government devoted to world peace and friendship.

Since that time, nearly 200,000 Peace Corps Volunteers have served in 139 host countries to work on issues ranging from AIDS education to information technology and environmental preservation.

Today's Peace Corps is more vital than ever, working in emerging and essential areas such as information technology and business development, and committing more than 1,000 new Volunteers as a part of the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. Peace Corps Volunteers continue to help countless individuals who want to build a better life for themselves, their children, and their communities.
The USA Freedom Corps is a networking tool created by George W. Bush in 2002 to link the Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, Foreign Service, and many other service groups together as an attempt to coordinate their efforts. Here is a link of what they are about:
Serve.gov | About Serve.gov

When Bush created the USA Freedom Corps, enrollment in other programs, such as the Peace Corps, actually grew. Obama is simply trying to expand on exactly what Bush did back in 2002. He's simply proposing to grow funding and volunteer opportunities for these groups to make them even more effective.

None of these are actually "civilian national security forces". The most you can really say about Obama's speech in 2008 was that he mis-spoke when he referred to them as that way. However, if you read the rest of the context of his speech, you'll understand what he is talking about. He is talking about things like health care, education, environment, and energy as vital to national security. He was not talking about establishing new security forces. Simply beef up the current programs we have to ensure national security in those areas.

In addition, Obama recognizes a problem that we currently have. We as a country use our military for many of these services. He even mentioned it in that very speech:
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We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
Again, if you take the speech in context, what Obama meant was that we over-rely on our military for domestic things like natural disasters and such. Things that can and should (according to our Constitution) be handled by civilians. If you read the speech and take in the context, the "national security" he was mentioning was again... health care, education, energy, and environment. Things that our military is not designed to be involved with in the first place.

Put it in context, and it takes on an entirely different meaning.

Feel free to read more: FactCheck.org: Is Obama planning a Gestapo-like "civilian national security force"?

Now in regards to section 5210 of the health care bill, it's not really changing much. It's just defining roles a bit more, and providing more funding to an already existing program. Even the WND article admitted that:
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The Democrats' legislation recently added the following text to Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act:

'(b) Assimilating Reserve Corp Officers Into the Regular Corps- Effective on the date of enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this section (as such section existed on the day before the date of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
'(c) Purpose and Use of Ready Research-

'(2) USES- The Ready Reserve Corps shall--

'(A) participate in routine training to meet the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
'(B) be available and ready for involuntary calls to active duty during national emergencies and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;

'(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and

'(D) be available for service assignment in isolated, hardship, and medically underserved communities (as defined in section 799B) to improve access to health services.

'(d) Funding- For the purpose of carrying out the duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated $5,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014 for recruitment and training and $12,500,000 for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014 for the Ready Reserve Corps.'

Commissioned officers of the ready reserve corps are appointed by the president, and commissioned officers of the regular corps are appointed by the president with the advice and consent of the Senate.

Robert Book, a senior research fellow in health economics at the Heritage Foundation, said the service has been around some time but is not well known.

In the past, its responsibilities have included work related to the National Institutes of Health, the Indian health service and providing physicians for Coast Guard operations, he said.
There you have it folks. You can believe in wildly construed conspiracy theories created by WND that are based on out-of-context statements, or you can choose to actually research these programs, see what they do, and read all of Obama's speech to see what he actually meant.

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Would you rather just have Obama say it?


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Would you rather just have Obama say it?
Congratulations. You completely and totally ignored my entire post, and completely and totally ignored Obama's speech. Here is a short little video explaining it for you:


Now to double down, here is the ENTIRE speech. Something you were too chicken to post up yourself:


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What's funny is that if you take that part of the speech in context... Ducati is actually in agreement with Obama.

Let's break it down. WND claims Obama is going to create a civilian military and security force. Ducati is against an imposing military force dealing with civilian matters. Yet if you listen to Obama's speech... that's exactly what he's advocating, the same thing Ducati is advocating. Obama wants to limit the military's presence in civilian matters. He says so right there in the speech. And to replace what the military has been doing (and what the military is not meant to do), he wants additional funding and volunteers for these civilian service groups.

These groups aren't armed, they aren't a police force, nothing like that. They are community and foreign service groups. Obama stated that our military is being used in some of these roles, and quite frankly I agree. Our military is being used domestically in natural disasters. Our military is also being used abroad to help establish educational institutions, hospitals, etc. In addition, if you look at what the founding fathers originally intended the military to be used for, you would see that they are technically overstepping their bounds in these roles. Now I'm not saying it's been a bad thing, after all, the military has been phenomenal with responding to natural disasters and such, and have been good ambassadors overseas with rebuilding war torn countries. However, that is not their role if you get down to the nitty gritty of it.

Ducati is advocating against using any military or security type force for civilian matters, and that's exactly what Obama was saying in his message too.

Now you might not agree with how Obama wants to deal with this issue. You might not agree that more funding to these programs is necessary. You might not agree that they need more staff, more volunteers, more equipment, etc. All that is fine. Feel free to disagree with the means to reaching the end result. However, the end result.... Ducati and Obama are in agreement.

Weird, huh?

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Go read Pages 1312-1315 in the HR3590 that was passed

SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS.
Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42
U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:
‘‘SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE
CORPS.
‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—There shall be in the Service
a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve
Corps for service in time of national emergency.
‘‘(2) REQUIREMENT.—All commissioned officers
shall be citizens of the United States and shall be ap24
compensated without regard to the Classification Act
of 1923, as amended.
‘‘(3) APPOINTMENT.—Commissioned officers of
the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the
President and commissioned officers of the Regular
Corps shall be appointed by the President with the
advice and consent of the Senate.
‘‘(4) ACTIVE DUTY.—Commissioned officers of the
Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to
call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including
active duty for the purpose of training.
‘‘(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.—Warrant officers
may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of
providing support to the health and delivery systems
maintained by the Service and any warrant officer
appointed to the Service shall be considered for pur17
poses of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to
be a commissioned officer within the Commissioned
Corps of the Service.
‘‘(b) ASSIMILATING RESERVE CORP OFFICERS INTO
THE REGULAR CORPS.—Effective on the date of enactment
of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, all individuals classified as officers in the Reserve Corps under this
section (as such section existed on the day before the date
of enactment of such Act) and serving on active duty shall
be deemed to be commissioned officers of the Regular Corps.
‘‘(c) PURPOSE AND USE OF READY RESEARCH.—
‘‘(1) PURPOSE.—The purpose of the Ready Reserve Corps is to fulfill the need to have additional
Commissioned Corps personnel available on short notice (similar to the uniformed service’s reserve program) to assist regular Commissioned Corps personnel to meet both routine public health and emergency response missions.
‘‘(2) USES.—The Ready Reserve Corps shall—
‘‘(A) participate in routine training to meet
the general and specific needs of the Commissioned Corps;
‘‘(B) be available and ready for involuntary
calls to active duty during national emergencies
and public health crises, similar to the uniformed service reserve personnel;
‘‘(C) be available for backfilling critical positions left vacant during deployment of active
duty Commissioned Corps members, as well as
for deployment to respond to public health emergencies, both foreign and domestic; and
‘‘(D) be available for service assignment in
isolated, hardship, and medically underserved
communities (as defined in section 799B) to improve access to health services.
‘‘(d) FUNDING.—For the purpose of carrying out the
duties and responsibilities of the Commissioned Corps
under this section, there are authorized to be appropriated
$5,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014 for recruitment and training and $12,500,000 for each of fiscal years 2010 through 2014 for the Ready Reserve Corps.’’.

Now it doesn't say if they will be armed or not, but seriously, what is this even doing in the health care bill in the first place?


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What's funny is that if you take that part of the speech in context... Ducati is actually in agreement with Obama. Ummm, where have I said that?

Let's break it down. WND claims Obama is going to create a civilian military and security force. Ducati is against an imposing military force dealing with civilian matters. ??? Yet if you listen to Obama's speech... that's exactly what he's advocating, the same thing Ducati is advocating. How many drugs did you take today? Obama wants to limit the military's presence in civilian matters. He says so right there in the speech. And to replace what the military has been doing (and what the military is not meant to do), he wants additional funding and volunteers for these civilian service groups.

These groups aren't armed, How do you know if they will or won't? they aren't a police force, nothing like that. They are community and foreign service groups. Obama stated that our military is being used in some of these roles, and quite frankly I agree. Our military is being used domestically in natural disasters. Our military is also being used abroad to help establish educational institutions, hospitals, etc. In addition, if you look at what the founding fathers originally intended the military to be used for, you would see that they are technically overstepping their bounds in these roles. Now I'm not saying it's been a bad thing, after all, the military has been phenomenal with responding to natural disasters and such, and have been good ambassadors overseas with rebuilding war torn countries. However, that is not their role if you get down to the nitty gritty of it.

Ducati is advocating against using any military or security type force for civilian matters, and that's exactly what Obama was saying in his message too. Again where did I say this?

Now you might not agree with how Obama wants to deal with this issue. You might not agree that more funding to these programs is necessary. You might not agree that they need more staff, more volunteers, more equipment, etc. All that is fine. Feel free to disagree with the means to reaching the end result. However, the end result.... Ducati and Obama are in agreement. Yeah, you got me Obama is my BFF

Weird, huh?
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Now it doesn't say if they will be armed or not, but seriously, what is this even doing in the health care bill in the first place?
For this very reason:

"Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42
U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows:"


The Public Health Service Act was originally passed in 1944, and subsequently has been amended many times with other health care legislation. This new bill is no exception. After all, there are changes to health care administration in this bill, so this section also addresses changes to an existing act.

By the way, would you like an example of how it's been used in our country's history? Happy reading:
Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

In short, there is a purpose to that portion of the bill. It increases funding, and increases the number of Reserve Corps for times of medical necessity.

Whether or not we need it, that's debatable. However, it in no way at all establishes any sort of "Obama militia".

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