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post #1 of 89 (permalink) Old 03-22-2010, 12:45 PM Thread Starter
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Nightmare............

I woke up this morning hoping I had had a bad dream over night. No such luck. Every time y'all pass someone on the highway with an Obama/Biden bumper sticker be sure to wave and thank them for creating the United Socialist States Of America.

Oh........also thank the Obama/Biden supporters and apologist here as well.


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well i got into about 4 yelling matches with liberals last night. needless to say, i did NOT sleep very well and probably won't for a while knowing this corrupt, disengaged government now controls 1/6 of our economy.

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As much as some people will try to convince others that this is the end of America (just like the Civil Rights Act, by giving equality to minorities, was going to ruin America)..............................it isn't.

Here is a good summary of what is in the bill.

And yes, although I believe it is a needed first step........it is not perfect.

It can be tweaked as we go forward.

Health Bill Summary (click here)

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Cost:

$940 billion over ten years.

Deficit:

Would reduce the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years. That is an updated CBO estimate. Their first preliminary estimate said it would reduce the deficit by $130 billion over ten years. Would reduce the deficit by $1.2 billion dollars in the second ten years.

Coverage:

Would expand coverage to 32 million Americans who are currently uninsured.
Health Insurance Exchanges:

The uninsured and self-employed would be able to purchase insurance through state-based exchanges with subsidies available to individuals and families with income between the 133 percent and 400 percent of poverty level. Separate exchanges would be created for small businesses to purchase coverage -- effective 2014.
Funding available to states to establish exchanges within one year of enactment and until January 1, 2015.

Subsidies:

Individuals and families who make between 100 percent - 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) and want to purchase their own health insurance on an exchange are eligible for subsidies. They cannot be eligible for Medicare, Medicaid and cannot be covered by an employer. Eligible buyers receive premium credits and there is a cap for how much they have to contribute to their premiums on a sliding scale.
Federal Poverty Level for family of four is $22,050

Paying for the Plan:

Medicare Payroll tax on investment income -- Starting in 2012, the Medicare Payroll Tax will be expanded to include unearned income. That will be a 3.8 percent tax on investment income for families making more than $250,000 per year ($200,000 for individuals).
Excise Tax -- Beginning in 2018, insurance companies will pay a 40 percent excise tax on so-called "Cadillac" high-end insurance plans worth over $27,500 for families ($10,200 for individuals). Dental and vision plans are exempt and will not be counted in the total cost of a family's plan.

Tanning Tax -- 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services.

Medicare:

Closes the Medicare prescription drug "donut hole" by 2020. Seniors who hit the donut hole by 2010 will receive a $250 rebate.

Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap will receive a 50 percent discount on brand name drugs. The bill also includes $500 billion in Medicare cuts over the next decade.
Medicaid:

Expands Medicaid to include 133 percent of federal poverty level which is $29,327 for a family of four.

Requires states to expand Medicaid to include childless adults starting in 2014.

Federal Government pays 100 percent of costs for covering newly eligible individuals through 2016.

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

Insurance Reforms:

Six months after enactment, insurance companies could no longer denying children coverage based on a preexisting condition.

Starting in 2014, insurance companies cannot deny coverage to anyone with preexisting conditions.

Insurance companies must allow children to stay on their parent's insurance plans through age 26.
Abortion:

The bill segregates private insurance premium funds from taxpayer funds. Individuals would have to pay for abortion coverage by making two separate payments, private funds would have to be kept in a separate account from federal and taxpayer funds.
No health care plan would be required to offer abortion coverage. States could pass legislation choosing to opt out of offering abortion coverage through the exchange.

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As much as some people will try to convince others that this is the end of America (just like the Civil Rights Act, by giving equality to minorities, was going to ruin America)..............................it isn't.

Here is a good summary of what is in the bill.

And yes, although I believe it is a needed first step........it is not perfect.

It can be tweaked as we go forward.

Health Bill Summary (click here)

That is the worste summary I have ever read of the healt care bill!!!! You dont believe that summary do you AK?


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somepeople are just too stupid to see the ignorance of obama and the liberals! give it time they will go down the road kicking rocks soon!


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Re: Nightmare............

I read it, in its entirety, a few months ago and I'll be the first to admit that not all of it made perfect sense to me. After a while, the eyes start to glaze over.

But then again, that applies to almost every complicated bill I have ever read.

If you aren't happy with the summary I linked to, show us another one.

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somepeople are just too stupid to see the ignorance of obama and the liberals!
Would that also apply to people who were too "stupid" to see the ignorance of Bush?



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......... give it time they will go down the road kicking rocks soon!
Politics is a pendulum.

It always swings back and forth.

The 29% approval rating of Bush paved the way for the Democrats.

It is entirely possible that the pendulum will swing way over to the right in the next elections.

Big surprise.

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Does anyone recall why the Roman Empire failed?


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somepeople are just too stupid to see the ignorance of obama and the liberals! give it time they will go down the road kicking rocks soon!
Speaking of "too stupid and ignorant" ...........I think this thread answers a lot of those questions.

Classic Thread (click here)

A lot of good people were nicely trying to set you straight but, you rebuffed every suggestion.

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This bill has very little to do with healthcare. This is about "changing" our country. We have slipped into socialism and the people better do something.

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