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So is this the health care model?

First there's universal health care.

Next comes government price controls?

THE MASSACHUSETTS MOVES TO PRICE CONTROLS


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Re: So is this the health care model?

So Pocket, correct me if im wrong, but according to this Mitt Romney supported this and helped push it through?

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So Pocket, correct me if im wrong, but according to this Mitt Romney supported this and helped push it through?
Mitt Romney signed it himself.

He did line veto 8 sections of the health care bill, which were later overturned by the Massachusetts legislature.

But yes, Romney did support it, and pushed for it.

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First there's universal health care.

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Curtis I hate to say it but I have a feeling your are right. If this happens Im changing careers again

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Mitt Romney signed it himself.

He did line veto 8 sections of the health care bill, which were later overturned by the Massachusetts legislature.

But yes, Romney did support it, and pushed for it.
Well damn, I am a big fan of Romney but after this it raises a few questions about him

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Re: So is this the health care model?

For an article that was originally printed in the Wall Street Journal, you would think this would be getting more attention - on ANY news channel.

Somehow, "We told you so." just doesn't cut it.

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Re: So is this the health care model?

So much for "Free Market"....this will be the beginning of the end with government control of the Healthcare Industry.
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So much for "Free Market"....this will be the beginning of the end with government control of the Healthcare Industry.
With all due respect..........."beginning of the end" of what?

Constant price increases that far outrun the cost of living?

Maximization, regardless of the patients needs, for share holders?

Hundreds of millions spent on lobbying, advertising?

As we've seen with Bush's 'hands-off' attitude of the financial industry, "free market" shouldn't mean "free to rape & pillage."

I am a firm advocate of a free enterprise system, in most cases, provided that sufficient controls/regulations are in place to safeguard the average American. I can't imagine anyone here that would think a monopoly, or Ponzi scheme like Madoffs, should be legal....even if they fall under the term "free enterprise."

Where I believe the rush to maximize profits are not appropriate, is when it comes at the detriment to the health concerns of Americans.

The changes that I think we need are:

1. I believe it would benefit this nation if all health insurance companies were made non-profits. But, in the absence of that I would propose a public (or even a co-op) alternative.
2. Guaranteed portability between jobs (or even while unemployed).
3. Cannot be denied, or forced to pay higher premiums, for pre-existing conditions or making a claim.
4. No lifetime maximums.
5. Pharmaceuticals from other nations, that can pass quality tests, be allowed to compete with U.S. drug makers.
6. Outlaw drug advertising on television.
7. Doctors and surgeons be put on salaries (like the Mayo Clinic now does).
8. Eliminate all drug/medical/insurance lobbying.
9. Reduce the time period before a drug can become a generic.
10. Come up with some type of equitable, and reasonable, standards for malpractice awards.

And yes, I know there will be those who will cry that I'm some kind of Socialist.

I don't see it that way at all.

I just believe that as the greatest nation this planet has ever seen, we ought to be able to ensure that our fellow citizens have affordable health insurance.

Never have so many politicians, screwed so many Americans...just to make one black person lose his job.
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With all due respect..........."beginning of the end" of what?

Constant price increases that far outrun the cost of living?

Maximization, regardless of the patients needs, for share holders?

Hundreds of millions spent on lobbying, advertising?

As we've seen with Bush's 'hands-off' attitude of the financial industry, "free market" shouldn't mean "free to rape & pillage."

I am a firm advocate of a free enterprise system, in most cases, provided that sufficient controls/regulations are in place to safeguard the average American. I can't imagine anyone here that would think a monopoly, or Ponzi scheme like Madoffs, should be legal....even if they fall under the term "free enterprise."

Where I believe the rush to maximize profits are not appropriate, is when it comes at the detriment to the health concerns of Americans.

The changes that I think we need are:

1. I believe it would benefit this nation if all health insurance companies were made non-profits. But, in the absence of that I would propose a public (or even a co-op) alternative.
2. Guaranteed portability between jobs (or even while unemployed).
3. Cannot be denied, or forced to pay higher premiums, for pre-existing conditions or making a claim.
4. No lifetime maximums.
5. Pharmaceuticals from other nations, that can pass quality tests, be allowed to compete with U.S. drug makers.
6. Outlaw drug advertising on television.
7. Doctors and surgeons be put on salaries (like the Mayo Clinic now does).
8. Eliminate all drug/medical/insurance lobbying.
9. Reduce the time period before a drug can become a generic.
10. Come up with some type of equitable, and reasonable, standards for malpractice awards.

And yes, I know there will be those who will cry that I'm some kind of Socialist.

I don't see it that way at all.

I just believe that as the greatest nation this planet has ever seen, we ought to be able to ensure that our fellow citizens have affordable health insurance.
Healthcare should be non profit?

As to the part in bold. Our government is the only reason tier 1 and 2 drugs are so expensive. And thats because they tax the living fuk out of them

Medicare is the reason Mayo put doctors on salaries and cut employees to a 30 hour max shift. Because medicare doesnt even pay cost of treatment. In some cases not even half the cost. God did I get pissed when I find out. I work for a Mayo subsidiary

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With all due respect..........."beginning of the end" of what?

Constant price increases that far outrun the cost of living?

Maximization, regardless of the patients needs, for share holders?

Hundreds of millions spent on lobbying, advertising?

As we've seen with Bush's 'hands-off' attitude of the financial industry, "free market" shouldn't mean "free to rape & pillage."

I am a firm advocate of a free enterprise system, in most cases, provided that sufficient controls/regulations are in place to safeguard the average American. I can't imagine anyone here that would think a monopoly, or Ponzi scheme like Madoffs, should be legal....even if they fall under the term "free enterprise."

Where I believe the rush to maximize profits are not appropriate, is when it comes at the detriment to the health concerns of Americans.

The changes that I think we need are:

1. I believe it would benefit this nation if all health insurance companies were made non-profits. But, in the absence of that I would propose a public (or even a co-op) alternative.
2. Guaranteed portability between jobs (or even while unemployed).
3. Cannot be denied, or forced to pay higher premiums, for pre-existing conditions or making a claim.
4. No lifetime maximums.
5. Pharmaceuticals from other nations, that can pass quality tests, be allowed to compete with U.S. drug makers.
6. Outlaw drug advertising on television.
7. Doctors and surgeons be put on salaries (like the Mayo Clinic now does).
8. Eliminate all drug/medical/insurance lobbying.
9. Reduce the time period before a drug can become a generic.
10. Come up with some type of equitable, and reasonable, standards for malpractice awards.

And yes, I know there will be those who will cry that I'm some kind of Socialist.

I don't see it that way at all.

I just believe that as the greatest nation this planet has ever seen, we ought to be able to ensure that our fellow citizens have affordable health insurance.
Gandy, no argument here. Lots of valid points there, that maybe I didn't even realize were not common place. I think that health care should be affordable for everyone, my only problem (not that anyone can do anything) is that someone who puts forth absolutely "no effort" to do anything with their life, why should the rest of the "hard working" American people have to suffer through the financial burden of their short comings. On the same note, I don't think that they should be left to die, just our "plight" I guess.
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