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Should the government tax unhealthy foods as a supplement/ replacement for HC reform?

First full disclosure here. 1) I got the idea for this thread from a commentary I read online at cnn; 2) I'm what is commonly called a 'health-nut.'

I've actually been saddened at times when I take time to observe how many Americans are digging their grave w/ a knife and fork. I look around here in TX in particular and the sheer # of obese people, even young people is overwhelming. Something like 65% of Americans are now overweight w/ 35% being clinically obese. Have you seen children these days? Have you seen minority communities? It's absurd the % of obese individuals I see now particularly in these groups. I try and resist the urge to blame those that are obese since I have several obese family members that I consider intelligent and hard working if ultimately lacking a bit of self control. I recognize that sugar and fat really panders to our most basic of human instincts, the need to feed ourselves w/ energy dense foods to ward off perceived possible starvation. The cost of all of this extra weight to Americans and our Healthcare system is overwhelming our medical system.

Of course the counter side of this is that eating healthy cost much more than eating poorly. Why is this?

One reason is rather simple, the US government, in an attempt to help our Farms, offers huge corn subsidies. This cheap corn is then used to create fatty and less expensive livestock and it also is the reason our primary sweetener is Corn Syrup. Corn Syrup is very unhealthy and directly related to the enormous increases in diabetes in our nation. Beef fed corn is less healthy than grain fed cattle and cheap prices encourage overconsumption of this product as well.

Since the government often uses taxation to try and limit the appeal of unhealthy behavior (think alcohol and tobacco products) it seems to me that simply removing these generous tax breaks entirely or simply shifting these tax breaks to healthy food options such as fresh organic grains, fruits, vegetables, eggs, milk, and even organic meat options makes a lot more sense.

The bigger picture here is: whatever happens in the healthcare debate we need to control expenses and try and improve the health of Americans and I believe these sort of policies represent a win-win partial solution.

Now I have no doubt that some Americans will say it's their body and their decision what they eat but how long should our tax dollars be used to supplement the cost of these poor decisions and down the road the cost of the health care problems that they present? That said, I would never even consider making even these very unhealthy products illegal.

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1) you pull these tax subsidies from corn growers you put alot of american farmers out of business.

2) Taxing these things is not gonna stop the majority of the american people from eating or drinking them

3) Government run health care will never pass. Dems have been trying to for years. It hasnt happened yet.

If it does I believe in no uncertain terms this country will be up in arms and another civil war may start

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That's one opinion. Change nothing then is your preferred approach?

Any other opinions out there??

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It all revolves around cost. Insurance companies pay claims period, we have to control costs.
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That's one opinion. Change nothing then is your preferred approach?

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No my approach is that if you are gonna do it do it right. Start with tort reform.

End frivilous law suits

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Re: Should the government tax unhealthy foods as a supplement/ replacement for HC ref

I see what you mean, Sun.
Personally, I'm about 5-8, 205. I know I gain almost all of it (and lost a lot of muscle tone in the process) during college. All that sitting & thinking went to my waist.
I also found that I have a habit of needing something to chew on when I'm thinking harder than normal. I saved $10-15 a week by keeping toothpicks in my pockets.
I did live at home during college, and I think if you saw the stuff my mom made, you wouldn't consider it unhealthy.

I don't think the government has any business taxing something like 'unhealthy foods'. I remember mid-80s milk was being promoted as 'the perfect food', then the 90s rolled around (maybe early 2000s), and it was 'bad, bad, bad'. Now I'm seeing it swing around back to 'milk is good'.
Something that swings as quickly should never be a part of government policy.
The basic function of government (expecially federal government) is to see that the rights of the people are protected. NOT to babysit them, NOT to make sure everyone has $JJJJ income, NOT to try to regulate foods or other 'unhealthy' items.
If someone is stupid enough to eat themselves into oblivion, then that's their fault. It's called Personal Respnsilbility.

Look at House. He got his nickname for a reason.
Have you seen his pictures lately? I'm sure it wasn't easy, but he does say he feels much better now. And all without givernment intervention.

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But ONLY control the cost of medical procedures w/o regards given to actually improving the actual health of the patient?

And Dave, seriously, you think health care reform is a "Civil War" Issue? Even though a Democratically elected politician ran on Health Car reform, and WON. That means, more people want it than not. And you suggest Civil War w/ your fellow Americans? What are you going to do, shoot the 1/3 of American children that don't currently have health insurance for demanding it?

What thing I have to admit that I have pondered is, why do our elderly that have had their entire lives to get their crap together get government health car but innocent children do not? And when you add that children are much cheaper to insure than the elderly anyways it doesn't seem like a wise use of limited resources to me. I'd prefer to see both get insurance but if it was one or the other that would be a no brainer for me.

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But ONLY control the cost of medical procedures w/o regards given to actually improving the actual health of the patient?

And Dave, seriously, you think health care reform is a "Civil War" Issue? Even though a Democratically elected politician ran on Health Car reform, and WON. That means, more people want it than not. And you suggest Civil War w/ your fellow Americans? What are you going to do, shoot the 1/3 of American children that don't currently have health insurance for demanding it?

What thing I have to admit that I have pondered is, why do our elderly that have had their entire lives to get their crap together get government health car but innocent children do not? And when you add that children are much cheaper to insure than the elderly anyways it doesn't seem like a wise use of limited resources to me. I'd prefer to see both get insurance but if it was one or the other that would be a no brainer for me.
Most of the time the reason children dont have coverage is because there parents arent responsible enough to get them covered. And "cost" runs very deep, school, drugs, insurance, technology, commercial buildings, etc etc etc
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But ONLY control the cost of medical procedures w/o regards given to actually improving the actual health of the patient?

And Dave, seriously, you think health care reform is a "Civil War" Issue? Even though a Democratically elected politician ran on Health Car reform, and WON. That means, more people want it than not. And you suggest Civil War w/ your fellow Americans? What are you going to do, shoot the 1/3 of American children that don't currently have health insurance for demanding it?

What thing I have to admit that I have pondered is, why do our elderly that have had their entire lives to get their crap together get government health car but innocent children do not? And when you add that children are much cheaper to insure than the elderly anyways it doesn't seem like a wise use of limited resources to me. I'd prefer to see both get insurance but if it was one or the other that would be a no brainer for me.
Um Suns have you looked at the polls recently. Noone wants government run health care. He's trying to force it down our throats.

Obama ran on buzzwords and bs speeches. The reason he won is the ignorance of alot of the youth of america and alot of false promises.

Ignorance like this is the reason Obama won

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Re: Should the government tax unhealthy foods as a supplement/ replacement for HC ref

Now I am a conservative, but I like to play devil's advocate from time to time. Say they did put a 5 cent tax on sodas to go directly into paying for health care. Would this be that bad? Although I also believe that they won't stop there and that is my worry......

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