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Got to Love the Unions......

Ain't it great when a UNION contract keeps you from firing drunk drivers and instead ya have to spend more money driving them around....Nothing like personal responsibility of the drunk & the union making sure he stays hard core union since they are protecting him.

Don't worry, the postal service will just up the cost of a stamp & packages to pay for drunks......

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COLORADO SPRINGS - The U.S. Postal Service is expected to lose billions of dollars this year, so you can understand why some people are wondering why one letter carrier has his own chauffeur.

In Colorado Springs, the post office is paying extra to drive him around because the carrier lost his license after a couple of drunk driving arrests.

He is usually driven to his route so he can walk it, but some times he gets driven around by another postal employee.

The Postal Service says it is required to do the arrangement because of a union contract.

"We have a contractual obligation to provide them, or make every effort to provide them, or make every effort to provide them with productive work," Post Office Customer Relations Coordinator Ron Perry said.

Perry says he can't be given another job because that would mean bumping someone else.

Perry says over the past several months, four employees have driven the carrier; two were managers and the other two were injured and couldn't deliver mail themselves.

Perry says out of the nearly 750 letter carriers in Colorado Springs, three are not allowed to drive because of DUIs.

9NEWS has chosen not to name any of the letter carriers.
9NEWS.com | Colorado's Online News Leader | Mail carrier being driven around route

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Just think if they fired him though.....he might go postal!


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All unions are not the same. I know your anti-union Ramprat from previous threads,but you cannot put them all in the same catagory.In this thread you haven't done it yet,but you will.In my opionin the guy or guys should be fired.I know if i showed up to work drunk i would be escorted off the job site and fired. And yes i am A PROUD UNION CONSTRUCTION WORKER!

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The way I look at it you have few kinds of unions. The UAW with GM would save you & keep your job even if you attacked a co worker with a golf club. (true story happened at my uncle's plant) They are also the ones that will tell you who to vote for.
Then we have the construction/steelworker type union that will protect it's workers when they are working. But when they aren't working then OUT THEY GO. They won't sit there & make up excuses for em. Atleast that's the way my buddy's place works. They also don't tell him who to vote for.


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Unions have completely destroyed this countries manufacturing, airlines, and any other industry they touch, now the post office. This is what "fair wages" does. This is what happens when you pay someone middle class wages to do menial labor, labor that an uneducated illiterate third world denizen can do. Union negotiatiors negotiate companies out of business and their members out of jobs. It happens over and over right in front of us, and the union guys still get mad at us when we point it out. Look in the mirror, see who's at fault. Some union jobs are just welfare, and the members act just like fat greedy welfare bitches.

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BTW, I have been a union member, carpenters and tile layers. I know what I am talking about. As a carpenter apprentice I had my framing hammer taken away, given a smaller hammer, and told to slow down. As a tile setter apprentice, we would make our "quota" by noon, then find a hole till 3:30.

When I was a framing contractor I had a guy working for me for a few years who worked carpenter union in new york. He told all about cash in envelopes for overtime, being told who to vote for etc.

All of this causes cost of goods and services to go up. It's costing us now with this economy.

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The way I look at it you have few kinds of unions. The UAW with GM would save you & keep your job even if you attacked a co worker with a golf club. (true story happened at my uncle's plant) They are also the ones that will tell you who to vote for.
Then we have the construction/steelworker type union that will protect it's workers when they are working. But when they aren't working then OUT THEY GO. They won't sit there & make up excuses for em. Atleast that's the way my buddy's place works. They also don't tell him who to vote for.
Cat is right there are 2 different "types" of union. Dixieland Diesels group is an example of a good one. They take care of your needs. Dont force things upon you and tell you how you have to do things

However there are bad construction unions out there too. The one by me for example. An aquaintence of mine has 3 DWI's 2 of which he recieved during work hours in company vehicles. One he damn near killed a 12 year old kid on a bicycle. The company wanted to fire him. But because of the union and the contract they couldnt. It caused a similar situation to the postal worker example. Not only did they keep him. They had to hire a guy to drive him around to and from jobs as well.

Also they protested several of my jobs last year because we had the lower bid and got the work. Running around with signs saying non union labor is sub standard and our health benefits sucked. Later it was found out that we actually had better health insurance at a lower cost than they did. The protested to the point it was difficult for my employees to get on the jobsite

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All unions are not the same. I know your anti-union Ramprat from previous threads,but you cannot put them all in the same catagory.In this thread you haven't done it yet,but you will.In my opionin the guy or guys should be fired.I know if i showed up to work drunk i would be escorted off the job site and fired. And yes i am A PROUD UNION CONSTRUCTION WORKER!
I am a pround union Ironworker. in my trade if you can't produce the foreman will find someone who can, and i'm out of a job. they really don't care how i get to work, just that i'm there

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BTW, I have been a union member, carpenters and tile layers. I know what I am talking about. As a carpenter apprentice I had my framing hammer taken away, given a smaller hammer, and told to slow down. As a tile setter apprentice, we would make our "quota" by noon, then find a hole till 3:30.

When I was a framing contractor I had a guy working for me for a few years who worked carpenter union in new york. He told all about cash in envelopes for overtime, being told who to vote for etc.

All of this causes cost of goods and services to go up. It's costing us now with this economy.
Maybe thats the way they do it in Colorado,but thats not the way we do it in MO. We have to do Quality,safe work and produce,and us in construction all go to school for are trade and always will be furthering our education.

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I am a STRONG union man, i belong to the UTU which happens to deal with Transportation. If we fail a breathalizer at work, we are removed from service and offered AA classes, if it continues then then proper disciplanery action is taken. Not all unions are bad, the UAW is a joke. Our UTU just protects us from the company and harassment. Rampy, before you start bashing all Unions, perhaps you should do some research on them.

on Edit: My union doesnt tell me who to vote for, all though i know they backed Obama, they didnt once tell me i HAD to vote for him.

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