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post #1 of 135 (permalink) Old 01-12-2012, 08:10 PM Thread Starter
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Chalk it up for the union

Well the unions have done it again. They brought down another company, not only once, but twice! When will America Learn?

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In the end, it's always a company's fault. Here's why:

1) If a company was doing what it was supposed to be doing, a union would have been entirely unnecessary in the first place.

2) Ultimately, it's a company's decision to agree to union terms.

3) If a company makes a commitment, even to a union agreement, it's the company's responsibility to uphold that agreement.


I'm not what many would call a union supporter. I've already voiced my opinion on this forum that unions have far outlived their usefulness, and more often than not are wasteful and non-productive in terms of their benefits to company/employee relationships. At the same time, I have also stated that historically unions have brought about some good and necessary changes.

In the end, however, it's still the company's fault and responsibility. Placing blame entirely on unions is ignorant at best.

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I agree completly with you Pocket. The Unions try to take all they can and the Company tries to take all it can. Thats how things stay (mostly) in balance. All the people that just bash Unions need to realize their pay and benifits are a direct result of what Unions have gotten.
Nothing is perfect but I do believe in the long run we are all better off with Unions than without. Who would want to go back to the working conditions before Unions? Don't think it can't happen.

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Unions take it and then come back and take some more. What have you not learned from unions in the past. Why don't you really read up on past businesses that have failed due to unions! Look at IH, chrysler, GM, papermills, etc! The unions only thought about themselves, not the company as a whole. Even though the writing was on the wall, they still did what was best for them, and not the company. The problem you have is the company has no other choice but to succumb to unions. It is a lose lose situation either way for the company. Once unionized, it is very difficult and costly to the company to reverse it. It is however, very easy for any company to become unionized. Once they do, it is difficult to remove.

You really don't have to look any further than Detroit to see what unions have really done! In my humble opinion, unions have in reality done more harm than good. Once you start giving in, they will keep taking more. Why don't you try and form a union in food production at the farm gate. See how far that will get ya. If you think food prices are high now, it would be no where near the price they would be if a union was involved. Why do you think autos are so expensive? You are paying the pensions of current and past employees! Same thing what happened to Hostess.
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Unions take it and then come back and take some more. What have you not learned from unions in the past. Why don't you really read up on past businesses that have failed due to unions! Look at IH, chrysler, GM, papermills, etc! The unions only thought about themselves, not the company as a whole. Even though the writing was on the wall, they still did what was best for them, and not the company. The problem you have is the company has no other choice but to succumb to unions. It is a lose lose situation either way for the company. Once unionized, it is very difficult and costly to the company to reverse it. It is however, very easy for any company to become unionized. Once they do, it is difficult to remove.

You really don't have to look any further than Detroit to see what unions have really done! In my humble opinion, unions have in reality done more harm than good. Once you start giving in, they will keep taking more. Why don't you try and form a union in food production at the farm gate. See how far that will get ya. If you think food prices are high now, it would be no where near the price they would be if a union was involved. Why do you think autos are so expensive? You are paying the pensions of current and past employees! Same thing what happened to Hostess.
You are very ignorant! I have read some totally backward beliefs on here, but that just took the cake. Thank you for making my Friday enjoyable.
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You are very ignorant! I have read some totally backward beliefs on here, but that just took the cake. Thank you for making my Friday enjoyable.
You keep living in fairyland or la la land.

Cause who made detroit fall to their knees, the foreigners and OH my gosh, they don't have unions! Go ahead and look at Toyota. Who is ignorant?????
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You want to blame the price of autos and everything else on the unions. Sorry, but it is not the unions fault. Have you ever thought about maybe it has something to do with higher powers and how the US dollar is effected?
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. Why don't you try and form a union in food production at the farm gate. See how far that will get ya. If you think food prices are high now, it would be no where near the price they would be if a union was involved. .
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I take it that Binderpower does not celebrate Cesar Chavez Day.
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Instead of calling me clueless and the like, why don't you enlighten me wonder boys???

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You two should go hug one another. You'll feel better. You can also cheerlead for one another also. We are right, you are wrong montra!
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