N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself - PowerStrokeNation : Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 02:03 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
 
PsRumors's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Cartersville, GA
Posts: 4,042
N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

N.H. law enforcement urges Lynch to veto gun bill | SeacoastOnline.com

Quote:
CONCORD, N.H. (AP) New Hampshire's police chiefs and sheriffs are urging Gov. John Lynch to veto a bill that expands the state's deadly force law to allow people to kill in self-defense anyplace they have a right to be.

The current law allows people to use deadly force in self-defense in their homes without being required to retreat. They can use deadly force in public to defend themselves or others if they can't safely retreat.

The New Hampshire Association of Chiefs of Police and the New Hampshire Sheriffs Association told Lynch that the use of deadly force in self-defense should be justified under the law only when there is no reasonable alternative.

They pointed out that if a person is charged with a crime and claims self-defense, the state must disprove the claim.

'97 SCLB 4x4, 3.55, D60 w/ TrueTrac, 6637, Banks Techni-cooler, BTS Trans, Tru-Cool 4921 Trans Cooler, 1.0 exhaust housing, no ebv, 3" DP, Straight Exhaust, E-Fuel, TW tunes, International WP, 203*, Isspro Gauges
PsRumors is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 02:22 PM
PSN Local
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 99
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Sucks to live in NH

Sugar Land, Tx.
'05 KR CC SB AFE Stage II Mini Maxx
Magnaflow 4" turbo back EGR bypass
Up pipe scoop gone EOC coolant bypass
Toolbox w/ interior lights, hard locking roll cover
HID head & fog lights '10 tailgate w/ step
'08 tail lights '11 R bumper w/ KR pad Train horns

GEAUX TIGERS


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Cuzmail is offline  
post #3 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 06:48 PM
<-- it's like that
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 6,567
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

I'm not exactly seeing the issue here. Deadly force is a last resort, and when retreat isn't an option. That's pretty standard. Seems N.H. already has that in place.

Of course, the article doesn't really explain anything or even offer a link to the bill. From what I gather from the short snippet is that the bill would make retreat an option, where deadly force could be applied even if retreat was a viable alternative. In that case, I agree with the sheriff. How do you prove in court that killing someone in self-defense was justified if you didn't bother to retreat in the first place?

Curtis
2002 F-250 PSD
Gambling with 250/200's on PMR's.
478hp/851tq on Haller's dyno - 7/28/12
Your connection to the
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
Pocket is offline  
 
post #4 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 06:53 PM
PSN Local
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 99
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

On your property why do you have to "retreat"?

Sugar Land, Tx.
'05 KR CC SB AFE Stage II Mini Maxx
Magnaflow 4" turbo back EGR bypass
Up pipe scoop gone EOC coolant bypass
Toolbox w/ interior lights, hard locking roll cover
HID head & fog lights '10 tailgate w/ step
'08 tail lights '11 R bumper w/ KR pad Train horns

GEAUX TIGERS


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Cuzmail is offline  
post #5 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 09:59 PM
<-- it's like that
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 6,567
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuzmail View Post
On your property why do you have to "retreat"?
According to the limited information in the article, you don't have to retreat in N.H. when you're on your own property.

It appears this bill is for out in public, not on your property or in your home. Which is why I fail to see the issue.

Curtis
2002 F-250 PSD
Gambling with 250/200's on PMR's.
478hp/851tq on Haller's dyno - 7/28/12
Your connection to the
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
Pocket is offline  
post #6 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 10:26 PM
PSN Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Arnold,Mo
Posts: 608
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Pretty sure most would flee if possible, but who is determining whether you had a chance to flee or not? Seems hard to be able to determine your chance of survival when your confronted.

Pat

2003 2500hd ccsb, intake 5" straight pipe, ad2 165, Bosch remans, ride right bags, tinted windows, ppe boost valve, on the way leveling kit 285's, efi live, built trans and batmo wheel
1996 E350 4x4 sled puller Draggin Wagon

Carpenter's local 2214 St. Louis, MO
silverf250 is offline  
post #7 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 11:25 PM
<-- it's like that
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 6,567
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Quote:
Originally Posted by silverf250 View Post
Pretty sure most would flee if possible, but who is determining whether you had a chance to flee or not? Seems hard to be able to determine your chance of survival when your confronted.
And those are very valid but never-ending points. Every situation is different.

Curtis
2002 F-250 PSD
Gambling with 250/200's on PMR's.
478hp/851tq on Haller's dyno - 7/28/12
Your connection to the
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
Pocket is offline  
post #8 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-15-2011, 11:36 PM Thread Starter
Moderator
 
PsRumors's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Cartersville, GA
Posts: 4,042
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pocket View Post
I'm not exactly seeing the issue here. Deadly force is a last resort, and when retreat isn't an option. That's pretty standard. Seems N.H. already has that in place.

Of course, the article doesn't really explain anything or even offer a link to the bill. From what I gather from the short snippet is that the bill would make retreat an option, where deadly force could be applied even if retreat was a viable alternative. In that case, I agree with the sheriff. How do you prove in court that killing someone in self-defense was justified if you didn't bother to retreat in the first place?
A shooter is out on the streets, you are capable of defending yourself and others but you have the ability to retreat....do you shoot or do you retreat?

In NH, right now, you must retreat or you could face charges. Why subject someone to that?

Why should you only be able to stand your ground at home?

'97 SCLB 4x4, 3.55, D60 w/ TrueTrac, 6637, Banks Techni-cooler, BTS Trans, Tru-Cool 4921 Trans Cooler, 1.0 exhaust housing, no ebv, 3" DP, Straight Exhaust, E-Fuel, TW tunes, International WP, 203*, Isspro Gauges
PsRumors is offline  
post #9 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-16-2011, 05:04 AM
<-- it's like that
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Parker, CO
Posts: 6,567
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Quote:
Originally Posted by PsRumors View Post
A shooter is out on the streets, you are capable of defending yourself and others but you have the ability to retreat....do you shoot or do you retreat?
Retreat.... if it's yourself.

If you're protecting others, then protect if you can or are able and willing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PsRumors View Post
In NH, right now, you must retreat or you could face charges. Why subject someone to that?
It's not exactly a "must" that you have to retreat. If you were fully capable of retreating without having to kill in self-defense, then you are subject to charges.

But again, every situation is different. It's case-by-case. The biggest issue is that it must be proven that it's in self-defense in the first place. Retreat, or at least trying, is a big part of the self-defense argument. If you didn't even try to get away, how can you call it self-defense in court?

Quote:
Originally Posted by PsRumors View Post
Why should you only be able to stand your ground at home?
Because the home is something to escape to, not escape out of.

Curtis
2002 F-250 PSD
Gambling with 250/200's on PMR's.
478hp/851tq on Haller's dyno - 7/28/12
Your connection to the
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.
Pocket is offline  
post #10 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-16-2011, 05:13 AM
PSN Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Arnold,Mo
Posts: 608
Re: N.H. Law Enforcement Do NOT want you protecting yourself

Self-defense is just that defense. Having to retreat before defense means it is a last resort. Again who's to say what consists of retreating.

Pat

2003 2500hd ccsb, intake 5" straight pipe, ad2 165, Bosch remans, ride right bags, tinted windows, ppe boost valve, on the way leveling kit 285's, efi live, built trans and batmo wheel
1996 E350 4x4 sled puller Draggin Wagon

Carpenter's local 2214 St. Louis, MO
silverf250 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the PowerStrokeNation : Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome