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fire and police crews watch man drown - Yahoo! News

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An apparently suicidal man waded into San Francisco Bay on Monday, stood up to his neck, and waited. As the man drowned, police, fire crews, and others watched idly from the shore.

Why? Officials blamed a departmental policy, stemming from budget cuts, that prevented them from jumping in to save him.

Fifty-year-old Raymond Zack spent nearly an hour in the water before drowning. A crowd of about 75 people, in addition to first responders, watched from the beach in Alameda across the bay from San Francisco as Zack inched farther and farther away, sometimes glancing back, a witness told the San Jose Mercury News. "The next thing he was floating face down."

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Nothing surprises me coming from Cali.

How the heck can as a human being, sit their and watch someone kill themselves in this manner?

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If he wanted to die, let him. The government doesn't have the right to intervene in EVERY SINGLE MATTER.
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That's the reason they gave, the real reason is the water in San Fransisco Bay is cold, really cold.




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If he wanted to die, let him. The government doesn't have the right to intervene in EVERY SINGLE MATTER.
Wow, your a heartless bastard aren't you? You have NO idea what happened to him to get his this far and it isn't for us to judge.

As for not helping, I am speechless, how can you just stand there and watch? From convicting innocent citizens in self defense or watching people commit suicide, this world has turned into a big sh*thole.

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Although police, firemen, etc may have regulations preventing them from such actions... what about the other bystanders? Im confused how non of the ordinary citizens did nothing...
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Wow, your a heartless bastard aren't you? You have NO idea what happened to him to get his this far and it isn't for us to judge.

As for not helping, I am speechless, how can you just stand there and watch? From convicting innocent citizens in self defense or watching people commit suicide, this world has turned into a big sh*thole.
I don't think he was judging the man rather letting the adult make the adult decision about HIS life....

I don't think I could just stand there and watch but it is HIS life.

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Somehow I bet Alameda gets water rescue funding now.

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I live in this city. If I were at the beach and seen someone drowning, I would do my best to save them. This guy was committing SUICIDE. I'm going going to risk my life for someone who does not want to live. He is standing in 5 to 6 foot waves, you cannot see his hands and the water is freezing. It would not take long to go hypo if he resisted. How do you know he does not have a weapon? How do you know he will not try to drown you and take you with him? Would you try to save a suicidal person if they had a knife or gun? Police and fire personell risk their lives every day, that does not mean they have to put themselves in a situation such as this one. Is it sad, yeah.
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I live in this city. If I were at the beach and seen someone drowning, I would do my best to save them. This guy was committing SUICIDE. I'm going going to risk my life for someone who does not want to live. He is standing in 5 to 6 foot waves, you cannot see his hands and the water is freezing. It would not take long to go hypo if he resisted. How do you know he does not have a weapon? How do you know he will not try to drown you and take you with him? Would you try to save a suicidal person if they had a knife or gun? Police and fire personell risk their lives every day, that does not mean they have to put themselves in a situation such as this one. Is it sad, yeah.

I reservedly agree. I have not been in a situation where someone was doing this while I was there. That being said, it is hard enough to rescue someone in water that WANTS to be helped, much less someone who apparently doesn't. In the grand scheme of things.......if you are NOT legally bound to act, then I guess it's what you can sleep at night with, OR what you can't .

I'll not comment on times when one may legally be bound to act, or be bound NOT to act.

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