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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 01-22-2015, 03:52 PM Thread Starter
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2005 12V ZF6 swap

I had enough of the 6.0 sickness and it's time to do a cummins swap. I'm gettin the cummins next week and I'll be starting the swap next month as I'm away to alberta for work til then. (Truck is back in newfoundland).

Truck is currently a '05 6.0/zf6, will be a 96 12 valve going in it with the p7100 pump, 3 or 4gsk, plate, few simple things. Im keeping my zf6.

I have a couple questions, I wrote together this plan after hour of research, and wanting opinions from others who've done this or know about it.
The plan: Use cummins/nv5600 flywheel (ex; early 2000's dodge 6spd) get centre bored to accept zf6/6.0 pilot bearing(metric needle bearing instead of bushing??) I Read that part about the bearing somewhere, not sure what the zf6 comes with or what the proper upgraded part is, hopefully someone could chime in here.

Use 7.3/zf5 flywheel-crank mount bolts with Destroked flywheel spacer

Use 6.0 starter,

Here's my biggest concern. From what I gathered, I should combine cummins 94-98 nv56 pressure plate with 6.0/zf6 clutch disk, but somewhere else I read that I need the ford pressure plate cause the dodge uses round 'finger tips' whereas the ford uses flat style. Then somewhere else I'll read that the ford pressure plate won't bolt up to the cummins flywheel which is what I assumed from the beginning. This is the part where I really need the help/second opinions. I'd like to use my stock clutch if possible cause it isn't very old and I don't really feel like putting down another good wack of cash on a south bend kit, as nice as it would be.
Thanks for any help you guys can give, and I'll keep you all posted as progress goes on

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

Can you have the place machining the flywheel for the pilot bearing drill and tap the flywheel to work with your ZF6 pressure plate?

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

I'll have to check and see, that never crossed my mind. I'll have to call around some places back home today and ask. Thanks

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

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Can you have the place machining the flywheel for the pilot bearing drill and tap the flywheel to work with your ZF6 pressure plate?
Just called the only machine shop I'm aware of in my town, asked him about bring the flywheel for the larger pilot bearing and drilling/tapping for my ford pressure plate. He said that won't be a problem, so thank you for saving me the bucks of a dodge clutch kit lol

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

Glad I could help!!! Good luck with your project!!!!

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

I'm reading online now that the injection pump from a bus is "worthless", my engine is coming from a bus. So what's the scoop on this pump, can I still do the plate and afc tune and the governer springs?

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

I guess it depends on what pump it is. I have a 210 pump from a f700 on mine, and it fuels fine. I can't remember if I had to change the DV's or not, but I have a #100 fuel plate and and 3k governor springs. The 210 has the same barrel and plunger with the same timing helix in it, just a little different cam, if I remember correctly.

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

I'm not sure about the pump but I would check out diesel conversion specialists! They have all the adapter plates you need to do the swap. I would go with a south bend setup if you plan on 400-500 HP.

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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

The only work needed to the flywheel is the pilot bearing, ask the machinist to leave a small landing on the backside of the flywheel. this will allow the bearing to sit flat on the face of the flywheel and still have material on the back side to hold it better. The bolt circle and pattern on the cummins 13" clutch flywheel, zf6 7.3, and 6.0 are all the same. The cummins pressure plate and clutch disc will will not work on the 6.0 zf6 transmission it bottoms out and will not allow you to bolt up to the transmission. The 6.0 zf6 has two different options on the flywheel there is a stepped and a non stepped version. Being that yours is an 05 it is probably stepped and you can not reuse your factory pressure plate and clutch. I first used my factory 6.0 zf6 pressure plate and clutch disc (it was the non stepped version), then later switched to the 7.3 pressure plate and clutch disc after I started adding power to the 12v. The bearing you need is a 205p I believe; there quite a few options on the 205 bearing, not sealed, sealed on side, sealed both sides, high temp..... I got mine from Oreilly auto parts. It is the sealed unit it has lasted 85k miles. also the power steering hose you need that will allow you to go from cummins power steering to factory ford is a 80049 from Oreilly. You will have to remove the 90* elbow fitting at the hydro boost unit. Any others questions let me know. When you get to the cruise control I can send you the information to get you hooked up.
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Re: 2005 12V ZF6 swap

sorry that bearing number is a 205F or 205FF. just looked through my pictures.
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