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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 08-04-2008, 01:19 AM Thread Starter
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Let's face it guys, the people are hurting. This fuel price thing is making some pickup guys panic. Some are trying to sell/trade in their pickups and are taking a $12,000 to $18,000 beating to get a little car they really don't want.

Government ain't gonna save you. The EPA is overjoyed that you are dumping your pickup for a Yaris. That financial screwing you are taking is (in their view) your penance for owning a big truck in the first place.

Vendors cannot be happy about watching their customer base evaporate.

What is needed is a project truck that can show the average pickup guy a substantial improvement. Not my exotic one-in-ten thousand configuration, but what most everyone else has - a 4x4 with an automatic, probably a dually. Forget a 7.3, the truck should be a 6.4.

What will be needed is for a collaboration of various specialists - tuners, transmission guys,injector guys, bed cover makers, etc

Anybody else got ideas?

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Hmmm, like a vender PSN truck? Try to build it for max MPG, able to be a DD & also be a solid towing setup. I think it's do-able, people are reporting around 18mpg with the DPF cut off.


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How did they do that, those trucks are off highway only without that ole DPF aren't they?

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How did they do that, those trucks are off highway only without that ole DPF aren't they?
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Why does it have to be a 6.4? Its getting dumped in a couple of years for the new 6.7 anyways. Anything with a DPF will he very tough to get decent mileage out of anyway. Anyways, how about a system that shuts off half the cylinders at highway speed like some GM and Mopar vehicles. Would something like that even work on a diesel?

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post #6 of 37 (permalink) Old 08-04-2008, 11:30 AM
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how is a project vechile going to save some guys $20,000 loan. is not like there arent products out there that support MPG. i just hate when i hear im spendng all my money on fuel. then you shouldnt have bought a diesel in the first place. i dont wanna hear "guys buy diesel for toys" if its a toys dont complain about fuel prices.

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So you want to take the 6.4 from 11 mpg to 18 mpg? When the same efforts have shown that you can take a 7.3 from 20 to 27 mpg?

Not many 6.4's on the road now, nor will there be when they trash it.
Same goes for 6.0's.
Dare I say there are millions of 7.3's still running, since they've been on the road for over 14 years now?

There's a reason I still drive a diesel. It's becaue I can, and do, burn 'Free' fuel like veggie oil or WMO. Can't do that with any gas car I know of, regardless of it's mpg...

It'd be neat to do a study of actually how many of each type of diesel is titled for road operation. 7.3's, 6.0, 6.4, 12v, 24v, Duramax's.
Then target the one that has the most on the road today.

Or just use your truck, Dave, as a perfect example. Why not? It doesn't matter how 'one off' it is. And take what you've done and apply it to a D-max, 24v, 6.0, etc to show 'common' results.
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This idea needs to be a effort that includes all of the Ford Diesel starting with the 94 7.3, next the 7.3 Super Duty, 6.0 Super Duty and the new 6.4 Common rail.

That means that there will be 4 different types of test vehicles maybe even 8if we do them with standard transmission also. I agree that they should probably be Auto 4 x 4's but not dualy's. Dually's get used to hard as a rule to demonstrate consistant mileage figures.

Probably the biggest thing to consider would be how could you control the inividuals that are doing the testing. I think that there are as many ideas as to how to test as there are people to want to test.

We need some rules and procedures to follow.

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I understand what your going at but the thing is not everyone can have a new truck Ie 6.4, and most of us that cant have make due with what we have.. I still see more 7.3 on the road and still going strong, only issue is that most if not all companies have left us in the dust (7.3), being they have to keep on the market on new stuff.. Im working on mine right now, Ive been keeping things cheap and keeping the motor reliable instead of going for the track times, Ive just lowerd the dually and will be working on other things soon, basically Im following Daves truck.. Theres nothing wrong with working with a dually, it just means you have to work harder, but thats the duallies moto "working harder"

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... Theres nothing wrong with working with a dually, ...
I think the point is, for mileage, you have more road resistance with the extra tires that are sure to suck mpg. How much? Not sure, but it's something...
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