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I am just about ready to build my trans, as in dropping it in the next couple of weeks, and have some questions about what will need to be replaced. I had been talking to one of the vendors on here that I WAS going to buy parts from, trying to figure out what internals would need to be changed to hold be prospective power, but all of a sudden was told be said vendor that communication with him needed to stop. So here I am, trying to find out what parts I will need to upgrade to hold probably about 450 hp in a 96 F-250 that will be on 38's.

Any help will be greatly appreciated. And I wont say the vendors name, but if you know who you are and would like to make things right, please pm me.

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first youll need to change the valve body and torque converter and input and output shafts
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Send a PM to RacerX, and talk to him if you arn't allready.

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Re: E4OD Build ?'s

I suppose I should have mentioned that I had a basic plan for what to do to start with.

I was definately going to do: input shaft, performance clutch pack, transgo tugger kit, mag hy-tec deep pan, x224 ring and plate kit, and a triple disk converter. I was going to do the output shaft down the road because of money, and at this point the only performance mods on the truck are a home built exhaust and intake.

Thanks for the input so far.

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mag hy-tec deep pan, .... I was going to do the output shaft down the road because of money.
You'd be FAR better off to skip the high dollar pan and use the money for the output shaft.

The pan doesn't gain you anything but looks, and to change the output shaft later means taking the trans out and completely tearing it down.
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Mark's right, you don't need a large $200 pan on your tranny. They look nice but that money can be put towards stronger parts.


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post #7 of 23 (permalink) Old 12-03-2007, 11:25 PM Thread Starter
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Doesn't a pan allow for more fluid and thereby lower trans temps? I know this is the case with the dodges. I also know higher temps kill the trans (the converter slips, builds temp, eats trans, but more fluid lowers temps; at least that is how it works in the dodges and I don't think that they are that much different as far as the mechanical function goes). Not saying you guys are wrong, just that is my understanding of the situation, please correct me if I am wrong.

Second, I was unaware that the trans would have to be taken apart in order to change the output shaft. Once again with the dodge, I believe the trans does have to be lowered, but it is not that hard to change the shaft. (My brother is big into high power dodges so he pretty well knows his s**t.) Once again, please correct me if I am wrong.

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You're wrong on both counts. A larger pan hold more fluid, but does little if anything for cooling. A COOLER will cool the fluid, the pan just holds it. There is not a lot of heat transfer from the bulk fluid through the pan. There is a boundry layer of fluid against the wall of the pan and that works surprisingly well at blocking heat transfer. I'm probably getting further into fluid dynamics and heat transfer than you want to hear. But I did this for the last three years of my career at Ford. A pan DOES NOT cool the trans fluid.

As for the output shaft, it isn't that hard to change. All you need to do is remove the trans, take out the torque converter, the pump, an ALL the rotating parts. Once EVERYTHING is out of the trans, install the new shaft, and rebuild the trans. I know some transmission mechanics that could get all of this done in about an hour. It isn't that hard once you've done a few hundred of them.

I was a Ford trans engineer for over 18 years. I have some idea of how these things work.
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I was never saying your wrong, and your credintials are definately better than mine. Thank you for giving me a good reason for why I was wrong and explaining how it works better. Honestly, I am very intersted in the exact reasons for why it works, so the more in-depth info I get, the happier I am. If you would like, please do go further into the fluid dynamics and heat transfer stuff. I know this may sound sarcastic, but I really am interested in this kind of stuff, I like to know how things work more than most people.

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Re: E4OD Build ?'s

Here is another somewhat related question. How important is it to do an output shaft. I notice that John Wood only puts the billet output shaft into his stage 3 trans that is claimed to hold 1000hp. Will the stock output hold 400-450hp?

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