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Possible to fill a used block?

i'll have the engine out of my truck again to replace injectors, install a girdle and seal some leaks. i was wondering if it was possible to fill the block without having to tear it down and having it hot tanked.

Instructions for Hardblock say that hot tanking is recommended, but doesnt say it is necessary. the part that worried me is that they say to hone or bore cylinders after it sets. does it deform the cylinder walls?

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

if you have the heads off they deform so then when it gets filled it wont straighten back up when the heads are torqued. i wonder if you can do it w/ a plate bolted down like when they are normally bored.

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

Need to line hone it after filling to make certain crank bearings live, no?

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

You're going to tear it down to align hone for the girdle anyways...
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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

i wasn't planning on it. i have talked with a few guys that have not had any issues with bolting on a girdle and not having it line honed. i don't like the idea of tearing it down and putting used bearings and rings back in. im not going to rebuild this motor unless it goes back in with billet rods and other high hp parts.

my main concern was the hard blok disfiguring the cylinders.

rough plan was:
bolt on girdle
pull heads, clean block
add hard block, torque head
repeat on other side
pull heads, drill water passages to heads
have heads surfaced if needed
bolt heads back down and torque.

if it works, it works. if it eats a bearing, then i guess i'll have to build a comp motor for it.

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

A girdle is full build territory.

And a full build should start with new main bolts and go new from there up, or it's a waste of money.

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

I'm thinking a girdle will definitely help the stock bottom end stay together. the next set of parts should put me into the mid 600hp range, I'm just looking at options to help delay the need for a full build.

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

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A girdle is full build territory.

And a full build should start with new main bolts and go new from there up, or it's a waste of money.

Just saying.
I agree. And a set of billet rods.
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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

i would think if you do it that way put the girdle on after you get the hard blok done. aint nothin wrong w/ forged rods.

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Re: Possible to fill a used block?

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You're going to tear it down to align hone for the girdle anyways...
I meant girdle....


Getting back to OP, has anyone just shoved a girdle on and called it good?

Given the precise nature of the rotating assembly, it seems it wouldn't be very happy.

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