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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 02-28-2008, 03:17 PM Thread Starter
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Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

I know there is a fair amount of argument on this subject and wether or not syn oils are better or not. The other day I had the oil changed in the truck and at $110 it got me thinking about this again. I have always ran Rotella, and change at 5000 miles per Blackstones recommendation. I had thought about doing the bypass filter and synthetic a while ago but it was cost prohibitive. With the price of oil skyrocketing, thats kinda changed.

So has anyone else thought about this. I don't drive my truck as much as I used to, but I can just imagine having to change the oil every month or every other month like I used to.

Whats the latest in bypass filters, and good synthetic oils? I think I may have to do this in my truck AND the wifes Grand Cherokee. I don't think I ever saw anything on doing this for the motorcycle. With the additives needed for the wet clutch this may not be an option, plus its only like 2 quarts of oil.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

I have been tempted to get the FS2500 and continue to use rotella synthetic oil. I would send in a sample at 5000 to blackstone and then go on what they say from there. The initial cost is higher and the lab tests are factored in as well. I did the calculations a year or 2 ago and it was nearly a wash cost wise. That is why I have not really done it yet.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

If I thought I could go a good bit longer Id do it but Im afraid of getting to much fuel in my oil with long change intervals.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

Honestly I see a lot of advantages in this. Assuming you can get away with not changing your oil, you have less waste, less oil changes, perhaps better oil, and with a bypass much cleaner oil. It just sounds like a good idea to me.

I'm not a big fan of the LAtimes, but there is some merit to what they say in this article. Reducing or eliminating oil changes would help a lot.
http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...0,883356.story

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If I thought I could go a good bit longer Id do it but Im afraid of getting to much fuel in my oil with long change intervals.
My issue with extended drain intervals is the silicon contamination ie. dirt that builds up in the oil and I see a small acceleration increase in the wear metals that makes me change the oil out. I change the filters (full flow and bypass) at each change. The longest I have been able to go is 18K miles on Mobil Delvac 1. I switched to Schaeffers Supreme 9000 when I had the dual HPOP installed as it seems to shear the oil a bit more than a single HPOP. The Schaeffer's had resisted shearing in the 6.0 and it seems to hold up well in the dual HPOP 7.3. So far I have gone 12K miles on the Schaeffer. Contamination with soot, glycol, fuel etc has never been an issue with those drain intervals. Somebody needs to calculate the cost of all this extra filtration and analysis etc. It may be cheaper to change the oil at more frequent intervals with no analysis and no additional filtration and still minimize the expense and wear. BTW I am thinking that a single oil change once a year with about 12-14K miles/year might be perfect for the 5W40 oil I have chosen to run for it's easy starting in subzero temps.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

At 12K there may not be a financial advantage, but what about the environmental and economic advantage(think less oil dependency). If it's a wash, I'd rather run something that was made in a lab than something they pumped out of the ground in the middle easter or South American countries run by people who hate us.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

Well there are better synthetic oils out there. So look around and try a few and stick with the one that seems to work best for you.


Look to Europe where the normal drain interval on most cars is 30k or 1 year. The Car manufactures dictate to the oil companies how they what the oil to be formulated and that make it a bit more spendy but it does the job.

I personally will continue to run Amsoil 5W30 synthetic diesel oil. It got my first engine all the way up to 130k and it popped after I switched to Delo. I doubt that was the full cause but have not doubt it contributed.

I run it 10K between changes with their Donaldson stratapor filters. With the cost of all oil products going up I might look @ extending the drain intervals to the 30K they recommend you run the oil. With OA of course.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

Moly based synthetics are not good for long extended drain intervals. Examples of these would be some Schaeffers oils and Royal purple. Amsoil is not moly based

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

I had been running Amsoil up until two weeks ago. The twin HPOP's seem to be killing the oil for long OCI's. I use to run my oil 18-20K between changes and run an analysis at 10K and 15K. Since the twins went in and I am racing it more, Blackstone says the oil needs to be changed at the 7-8K mark due to sheer. Even with this and the use of the remote bypass unit the analasis always came back with below average ware. It just came down to dollars and sence for me to stop using Amsoil.

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Re: Syn + bypass filter = no oil change

I don't plan on putting in big oil, or anything more than ACs and the TN BB upgrade in this truck. I like the power, but am more interested in the towing and reliability. At 245K I know I am within say 100K of the statistical life of this engine. I want to get it to 400K.

Just found out I know someone who sells Amsoil. He is going to get me prices on bypass filters and oil for both my truck and my wifes Grand Cherokee.

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