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So I just finished reading a thread that was started back in February about oil aeration and the aftermarket high performance pumps effect on oil aeration.

Since I'm new here I don't know everyone's names, but almost all the major vendors had input to one degree or another. The tread became quite the heated debate. I don't want to start that all over again. Plzs

Coming from a different venue where aeration isn't so critical and having had the ability to watch the oil in a crankcase under high RPM......I was surprised that only one person figured out that oil control in the oil pan might be of concern. A Dry sump system was mentioned as a possible improvement to aid in the reduction of the engine's aeration issues. Of course cost hindered all prospect of producing such a kit for the market place as most couldn't afford the system.

My question is why hasn't someone come up with a cheap or affordable, windage tray?

There is a boatload of oil in the pan and launching a truck throws all the oil back and up into the spinning crank. I'm thinking whipped cream in there!

I'm not saying that this is a cure all, but a windage tray has to help in keeping the oil off of the spinning crank as well as reducing parasitic loss, and would seem like a fairly easy product to produce cost wise.

Now I've never had the pan off of a 7.3 so I can't say that I know totally what I'm talking about, but I have seen 20-50w whipped into whip cream at 10,000 rpm and then to settle back down to a non-aerated state in a matter of seconds all while observing this through a clear sight glass in the crankcase. So if one could keep or minimise the oils exposure to the crank it could only be a good thing...right?

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Re: Windage?

I don't think it's the crank aerating the oil as much as it is the IPR.

But I don't know for sure...
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Re: Windage?

We already have a windage tray in the pan.
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YIKES! Ouch!

Does the tray always sit that low in the pan or did it get a beat down from the internals of the motor letting go? It sits so low that it looks more like an oil pickup trap than a windage tray in the pictures. I'll see if I can find some pan pictures on the web.

Thanks for the lesson.

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Nevermind....

I saw just how low the main bearing caps and crank reside down into the pan.

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yes its where its suppose to be lol. and thats the deep end, on the shallow end it like an inch off the pan at most.

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I hope mine doesn't have those lil metal chunks

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lol ya thats not normal, you will know if you do though.

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