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Any more power in it?

Ok well about a year ago I set a goal to build my truck to somewhere around 400 rwhp, and I'm about there. I did around 380-390 hp on the dyno about a month ago, and my 80 econo tune from Jody made the high number out of all 5 pulls. My 120R tune made about 9hp less than the 80E.... so I obviously have some tuning issues to sort out or I'm running out of fuel or oil or something. I still need to talk with Jody about my numbers and see what we can do to make a little more power. I'm going to be going bigger in the future with some Hybrids and other supporting mods, but for now it's still stage 2's.

I just bought a 17* HPOP, just waiting for it to arrive in the mail. Hopefully that will do something for my truck, I'm not sure exactly what it will do, but I hope it's an improvement. I need to do some ICP data logging to see what my ICP is getting to at WOT. What should I look for and how do I determine if I have an ICP issue? I will hook my OBDII scanner to the truck and make some WOT runs and have someone watch my numbers, but is that all I need to do to determine ICP #'s? Should I be doing anything with the IPR to maximize my performance, or just leave it alone?

This winter I plan on doing a RR fuel system and in-tank mods and an in-cab fuel pressure gauge at which time I'll determine if I have fuel pressure issues or not.

Ok, so now that you know what I'm working with and where I'm going with this truck, is there anything I should be doing in your opinion to help me maximize performance with my current mods, and will also benefit me later on when I'm shooting for the 450-500 mark?

As of right now I'm running 160cc stage 2's, D66, DP tuner and all the little basic mods to go along with those. At full throttle/ full boost I have almost zero black smoke out of the tail pipe, just a slight haze. Does this tell me that my turbo is doing a good job of burning all the fuel, or does it mean that I need more fuel? Can I tune my chip for more fuel or do I need to make the jump to Hybrids in order to make any more power with what I have?

Ok, I'm sure I left some stuff out, but please give my your opinions and advise. I'll add more info if I left something out or something needs clarification. Thanks!

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my 80 econo tune from Jody made the high number out of all 5 pulls

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Re: Any more power in it?

Sounds like you've got a nice running rig and are getting fairly close performance for the mods you have. That's where I want to be.

From what others have seen, you're likely out of fuel and/or oil or you'd get a little more from your higher tunes. But, that's ok if you're stopping there. I not a fan of massively overfueled trucks (mine's bad enough and waiting for more air). To move on with that set up, I'd pair up that 17 with your current pump when you move/upgrade the fuel system. Ask Jody to give 3000-3100 psi of ICP and run it. You should get over the 400 mark clean and be on your way to supporting larger injectors...until the D66 runs out and you're starting over. The slippery slope!

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my 80 econo tune from Jody made the high number out of all 5 pulls. My 120R tune made about 9hp less than the 80E.... so I obviously have some tuning issues to sort out or I'm running out of fuel or oil or something.
That 15 degree HPOP isn't keeping up. You're oil pressure is flatlining.

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That 15 degree HPOP isn't keeping up. You're oil pressure is flatlining.
That's what I was thinking. The 120R tune spools the turbo faster and the truck definetly feels faster, sepecially when on the highway. It feels faster and pulls harder in the 120R, but the dyno told me that the 80E is more powerful. Also, like I stated in the OP, there is almost no smoke out the tailpipe when at WOT, which might be because Jody has the truck tuned for the 15* pump or a stock fuel system, I don't know.

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i had the same problem..i wanted the 140 tune..Jody said the 120 is more then the 15 HPOP pump could handle..the 140 would have been a waist of $$..the 17 will help out alot..lot better throttle and SOP diff in HP changing to DPC 422 PCM will make a SOP diff too..

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i had the same problem..i wanted the 140 tune..Jody said the 120 is more then the 15 HPOP pump could handle..the 140 would have been a waist of $$..the 17 will help out alot..lot better throttle and SOP diff in HP changing to DPC 422 PCM will make a SOP diff too..
What the heck is a DPC 422 PCM? I upgraded to a PMT1 which was suggested by Jody as well as just about everyone else I talked to. I had an XLE4, but the PMT1 seems to be way better, and apparently easier to tune.

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PMT1 is what Jody told me to get to and thats what i got..the DPC-422 is the code for the PCM family..the PMT1 is part of that family...

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this is a list of the DPC-422 family...in red is the PMT1 PCM any of these will work in the early 99 but the PMT1 is the best one to tune

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YEAR VEHICLE ENGINE TEMPLATE ECM PART # CALIB MODL TYPE SIZE CSUM CODE APPLICATION MODULE APPLICATION
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3R2 XC3F-ND 9DTA-ARB DPC-422 216 A915 FIF2 PHN131 50S/AUTO/COLD
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE5S2 XU2F-ABA 9DTA-ASC DPC-422 216 F043 RXM0 P131 SERVICE
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3S5 XC3F-ERD 9DTA-ASC DPC-422 216 9052 AGD3 P131 50S/WARM/AUTO
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3S3 XC3F-RD 9DTA-ASB DPC-422 216 9721 AGD2 PHN131 50S/AUTO/WARM
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE1S4 XC3F-RC 9DTA-ASA DPC-422 216 E8 AGD1 PHN131 50S/AUTO/WARM
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE0S2 XC3F-RB 9DTA-ASA DPC-422 216 7B1A AGD0 F450/550/560 50S/A/T/WARM WEATHER
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7R2 XU2F-ZC 9DTA-ARC DPC-422 216 E02A YEV2 P131 N/A
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE6R4 XU2F-ZB 9DTA-ARC DPC-422 216 E435 YEV1 P131 F250/350
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE5R3 XU2F-ZA 9DTA-ARC DPC-422 216 C964 YEV0 P131 SERVICE
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE1R4 XC3F-NC 9DTA-ARA DPC-422 216 F7CF FIF1 PHN131 50S/AUTO/COLD
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE0R2 XC3F-NB 9DTA-ARA DPC-422 216 8A11 FIF0 F250/350 49S/A/T/WARM WEATHER
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3R4 XC3F-END 9DTA-ARC DPC-422 216 A345 FIF3 P131 FED/WARM/AUTO
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE6S4 XU2F-ABB 9DTA-ASC DPC-422 216 0819 RXM1 P131 F450/550
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7W3 1C3F-ATB 1F719W0A10 DPC-422 216 681E JLJ1
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7W2 1C3F-ATA 1F719W0A00 DPC-422 216 681C JLJ0
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7T6 1C3F-ADD 1F719T0A11 DPC-422 216 6703 BKA3
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7T5 1C3F-ADC 1F719T0A10 DPC-422 216 6700 BKA2 450/550 A 4.88 50S P131/U137
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA6T3 1C3F-ADB 1F719T0A05 DPC-422 216 2F95 BKA1 P131 N/A
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA4T4 1C3F-ADA 1F719T0A00 DPC-422 216 1FE2 BKA0
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7S6 1C3F-ZD 1F719S0A11 DPC-422 216 5A0A PMT3
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7S5 1C3F-ZC 1F719S0A10 DPC-422 216 5A07 PMT2 DIESEL 250/350 INCREASES CLUTCH PRESSURE OVER PMT1
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA6S3 1C3F-ZB 1F719S0A05 DPC-422 216 219C PMT1 P131 N/A
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA4S4 1C3F-ZA 1F719S0A00 DPC-422 216 0EEB PMT0
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7P6 1C3F-AED 1F719P0B11 DPC-422 216 75FA KRK3
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA7P5 1C3F-AEC 1F719P0B10 DPC-422 216 76F6 KRK2 450/550 4.88 CFF/LEV P131/U137
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA6P3 1C3F-AEB 1F719P0B05 DPC-422 216 3F8B KRK1 P131 N/A
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7U3 XU2F-RD 9DTA-AUC DPC-422 216 EF1D MRT3
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAAAT2 XU7F-BA 0F729T0A00 DPC-422 216 LSL0 LSL0 P131 N/A
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAB6P2 YU7F-CA 0F719P0B12 DPC-422 216 6353 HAM0 P131 N/A
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAAAT3 XU7F-BB 0F729T0A00 DPC-422 216 216D LSL1
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAA8U5 XC3F-BF 9DTA-AUD DPC-422 216 E6BF NVK4 P131 DIESEL/49S
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAA9S4 XC3F-BG 0F729S0A00 DPC-422 216 01BD NVK5 ECONO F250/350
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAAAS2 XU7F-AA 0F729S0A00 DPC-422 216 FB8F MNM0 P131 N/A
2001 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VRAA4P6 1C3F-AEA 1F719P0B00 DPC-422 216 26DD KRK0
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAA9T4 XC3F-PG 0F729T0A00 DPC-422 216 28A4 CNH5 P131 F450/550
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAB5P3 YC3F-BCB 0F719P0B12 DPC-422 216 6B38 YLE1 P131 CACKLE FIX
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAAAS3 XU7F-AB 0F729S0A00 DPC-422 216 FB92 MNM1
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAB6P3 YU7F-CB 0F719P0B12 DPC-422 216 6455 HAM1
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7V3 XU2F-AAD 9DTA-AVC DPC-422 216 1209 LVS3
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7S3 XU2F-ABD 9DTA-ASC DPC-422 216 0511 RXM3
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7R3 XU2F-ZD 9DTA-ARC DPC-422 216 E12C YEV3
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAB1P6 YC3F-BCA 0F719P0B11 DPC-422 216 B201 YLE0 F450/550 AUTO CFFV P131
2000 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VNAA8V7 XC3F-PF 9DTA-AVD DPC-422 216 0CA8 CNH4 P131 DIESEL/50S
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE5V4 XU2F-AAA 9DTA-AVC DPC-422 216 FF3B LVS0 P131 SERVICE
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7S2 XU2F-ABC 9DTA-ASC DPC-422 216 050E RXM2 P131 N/A
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE6V4 XU2F-AAB 9DTA-AVC DPC-422 216 1610 LVS1 P131 F450/550
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3V5 XC3F-EPD 9DTA-AVC DPC-422 216 9B49 CNH3 P131 50S/COLD/AUTO
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3V3 XC3F-PD 9DTA-AVB DPC-422 216 A119 CNH2 PHN131 50S/AUTO/COLD
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE1V5 XC3F-PC 9DTA-AVA DPC-422 216 F2D1 CNH1 PHN131 50S/AUTO/COLD
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE0V4 XC3F-PB 9DTA-AVA DPC-422 216 8414 CNH0 F450/550/560 50S/A/T/COLD WEATHER
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE6U4 XU2F-RB 9DTA-AUC DPC-422 216 F225 MRT1 P131 F250/350
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE5U5 XU2F-RA 9DTA-AUC DPC-422 216 DB51 MRT0 P131 SERVICE
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3U5 XC3F-EBD 9DTA-AUC DPC-422 216 A937 NVK3 P131 FED/COLD/AUTO
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE3U3 XC3F-BD 9DTA-AUB DPC-422 216 B006 NVK2 PHN131 49S/AUTO/COLD
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE1U4 XC3F-BC 9DTA-AUA DPC-422 216 00BE NVK1 PHN131 FED/AUTO/COLD WEATHR
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE0U4 XC3F-BB 9DTA-AUA DPC-422 216 9302 NVK0 F250/350 49S/A/T/COLD WEATHER
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7U2 XU2F-RC 9DTA-AUC DPC-422 216 EE1A MRT2 P131 N/A
1999 F-Series 7.3L DI TC VJAE7V2 XU2F-AAC 9DTA-AVC DPC-422 216 1305 LVS2 P131 N/A

Early 99 7.3 F350 auto,TN T-4 mount with a s467 for air,H-11's stud's SRP 1.1 for oil all supplied by unlimited diesel..beehives, DI push rod's, new alliant 315/200 hybrids,Driven diesel fuel system with a fuel lab 41401. ...tuned by Gearhead..
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So it sounds like the 17* HPOP and some tuning changes might do me some good. Like I said, I still need to talk with Jody about the tunes etc.

What should I be seeing for ICP numbers? I don't really know what's good or bad in regard to ICP, what should I be seeing? I want to do a before and after comparison with the stock hpop and the 17*, should I just go out and run it and see what I have for #'s at WOT?

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