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"So there I was..."

at the mud races. some guy in a cummins was talking trash, "i have 600hp and 1000 lb ft of tq". him and his buddies, one of which was in a 6.sl0w, starting calling my truck a freak. they couldn't figure out how a 300hp truck running all-terrain tires was beating them by a full second.

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"So there I was" sounds like the start of a good joke, lol. Oh BTW

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they probably needed bigger tires for the hp, there is such a thing as too much wheel speed in the mud.

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they probably needed bigger tires for the hp, there is such a thing as too much wheel speed in the mud.
that's what i told the cummins guy. i told him to turn his tuner waaaaaaaaaaaay down. they were running 37-38" BFG Krawlers.

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I don't buy less horsepower in the mud for a second .

It's much more likely that, number 1.... they weren't making anywhere NEAR the power they thought they were, and number 2, you're truck was just getting a better hook. Not because of less power, because it was just hooking better. If you had more power you would go even faster, not slower.

If this were not the case, then the mud rails would be running 300hp powerstrokes...
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Theres also the fact that some trucks and configurations pull better in mud than others. Even with the tires, some trucks wont pull no matter how much money you throw at them. My 98 gmc long wheel base was hopeless in the mud pulling someone.

Example ups guy got stuck in the front yard. My 325 hp 98 gmc with brand new tires couldnt even make the ups guys antennas twitch with my gmc even backing up and snatching at it.

Got my 160hp 84 s10 blazer out and pulled him out with no problem what so ever. Same tires, same size tires, same brand tires. Mud King's on both.

So wheelbase, weight distribution and other factors can beat hp and torque any day of the week sometimes

It drove me nuts trying to get that 98 gmc 4x4 to be able to pull someone in the mud. Just wasnt happening. My 2002 F250 with all terrains is a god send over that gmc with mud tires.

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We ran in the mud races last night and the more boost we leave with...the better we run. Truck is an ex cab short bed with hybrids and 38r so figure around 450-480rwp. Problem is we're in stock class but somehow we are racing trucks running on race fuel with roller rocker big blocks chevy motors with enough cam to make them hardly idle. Might be about time to sneak the nos bottle in the cab instead of in the bed for the next races.
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I don't buy less horsepower in the mud for a second .

It's much more likely that, number 1.... they weren't making anywhere NEAR the power they thought they were, and number 2, you're truck was just getting a better hook. Not because of less power, because it was just hooking better. If you had more power you would go even faster, not slower.

If this were not the case, then the mud rails would be running 300hp powerstrokes...
i don't like to call people liars, he said he had it dynoed. plus there's a hemi runnin' out there that is almost identical to the cummins, only on 35s, that has less power but can almost keep up with me. i think power plays a big roll with the heavier trucks. less is better unless you have the right set up such as rails, they are way lighter and run paddle tires. i think his truck was just heavy enough that he was spinning way too much and wasn't moving it. if he was able to run paddles like the rails he probably would have been faster. and yes i'll agree, i was hooking up waaaaaaay better than he was.

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I could swap engines with you without changing one other thing on your truck and you would instantly run faster... if it held together.

Period.




Well, maybe engine and transmission.

If going fastest in the mud was simply a matter of applying power until just before traction was lost you wouldn't see guys building so much power to compete, you would see them building traction control systems that applied engine power based on wheel speed sensors. Unfortunately that won't get you down the track any faster than you've got the horsepower for. The faster you can spin the tires the more force you're building from the friction of the tire spinning on the surface of the mud. 200mph tire speed is definately going to shoot your ass down that lane a whole hell of a lot faster than 15mph tire speed.
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I could swap engines with you without changing one other thing on your truck and you would instantly run faster... if it held together.
how about we start small. send me a new set of sticks, then we'll move on to swaping engines

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