I know I have the options of a newer ball joint set up or older Kingpin set up.
what will be better for a lifted daily driver set up?
I will be running 37, 38" tires, an ORU dual front shock set up and shackle reversal, Deaver 6" lifted springs front and 8" rear, fox shocks, crossover steering.
It will not see much aggressive offroad. Just pulling my trailer to and from the dunes etc.
Your truck as you plan to set it up will be much higher than needed for 37" ride stiffer and will be more costly than needed..We came up with the RS kit SD spring mod and have set up many trucks and helped hundreds get the best results..PM me if I can help.
Since your looking at new axles, tires wheels etc..I'd just do a '05 up 4 link conversionn. We have everything needed to go 8" easyly..can go higher..will ride soooooo much better, stop sooooo much quicker and the turning radius will be much less. We'd done these for the last 2 years with great success!
Eh, you do 05 axles and you are then having to buy a good quality 05 lift to continue to get it up in the air.
I have 4" now with 36s... you could probably go 6" and clear 37s but would need AT LEAST 8" to clear 38s well.
Have you ever ridden on a set of Deavers? Cause anyone who has had a 99-04 SD sure ditched their V code, X code or whatever Code springs to run Deavers when lifting...... including myself. My lifted Deaver early SD rode TEN TIMES better then it did stock
Little different animal as it is a coil sprung front end.
But I find it funny how the "suspension" god on here is selling me on an 05 4 linked axle set up as being the BEST.. HAHAHA I had an 05 lifted 8" and 4 linked. And my 04 leaf sprung truck road WAY BETTER with deavers... I mean WAY better. Road better then the stock 05, and way better then it lifted 8" with a 4 link kit form a popular manufacture.
No I asked for Kingpin or Ball joint help as if anyone had experience in the set up!
It has nothing to do with "these" trucks. It has to do with what works in general.
Yes, if you want to spend a couple hundred bucks and get a little lift via some brackets and such and have a little better ride. By all means take his route. But if you want a much better lifted set up a STOCK SD spring is not the end all be all. In fact it is not even the start.
I dont understand why no one else goes this route when there is SO MUCH money to be made in this virtually untapped market!!
As for switching in a suspension set up from an 05 SD all I have to say is give me one logical reason to do so. Just one!!!
Country bob you said it best... Lets take VERY BASIC suspension design. The SDs from 99-04 were a TRUCK... They rode like a truck, and everyone wanted a softer ride... Everyone talked about how great a chevy road...blah blah blah....So the fix is to install those rough riding springs in an even lighter truck? HAHAHA
You are really showing your intelligence... a Deaver 12 leaf pack is ten times nicer ride then any factory OEM or SD spring pack. you should really educate yourself before speaking.
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"
You might want to think about using your own advice. OBSwiz and countryboyrob have plenty of experience doing dana 60 swaps on these trucks, they know what works and what doesn't. We aren't all building manufacture sponsored chase trucks. If you are, you might want to consider running a custom linked suspension with some properly valved coilovers.
The set up OBSwiz mentioned with x codes and an rsk kit will set you up to run 35 to possibly 37 inch tires. Now since you are looking to run 38s Cary could set you up with some nice 4 inch icon springs. Your truck may sit a little high but you said you wanted 6-8 inches of lift and that would put you in that range I believe. You may want to do some research yourself because this set up does work. If it doesn't why is everyone in the obs forum doing it?
Since at this point I'm sure you still don't care what anyone else has to say I think a big question you may need to ask yourself is; What deaver springs you are going to buy? Deaver does not list any springs for our trucks on their website. But hey you could have it your way.... waste your money on those deaver springs meant for the sd and use them with an rsk because that the only way they will work. The reason why I say waste your money is because the sd deavers are meant to fix the "rough" riding sd that's not going to help your lighter obs.
With that said I hope that you understand that people are trying to help you out and you might want to take your attitude and deaver springs sales pitch down a notch. When you have a newbie attitude like you have rob will rip you a new one. He is relentless and always wins.
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Deaver makes ANY springs for any vehicle. I believe I said that the SD springs may ride nicer then the stock OBS springs as they are longer..... Duh. Thats a given, but I will GUARENTEE They do not ride better then a multi leaf spring pack built by Deaver. Why do you think that everyone raves about Icons leaves and Deavers.. Why is Cary even a vendor for either one? Hmmmm
If Countryboyrob has or knows anything about suspension he would know about the benefits of a nice multi leaf spring pack.
He can try to win all he wants, shows his iggnorance on the subject. Has nothing to do with a newbie attitude. I know what works. I am not trying to sell anything. You can swap in some junk springs that everyone with a 99-04 is trying to get rid of when lifting....
a 4 link chase truck? I bought the OBS to daily drive. It doesnt need anything like that. But it does need a quality driveable lifted suspension that will come by way of a quality lift not some half ass junk. Why is everyone running SD springs? Cause it is cheap and obviously ignorant people about suspension design are relentless and push the crap.
you will be fine with a ball joint axle i had 38x15.50's rode good handled great towed great!
i know your jackin off to deaver springs and all but my 08 coil spring set up rode alot better than my old truck on deavers. but what do i know ive only owned em.. but yes deavers are the best riding leaf spring i will agree but 4 link and coils will ride better
I had 38s and coils on my 05. Might have helped if I went to coil overs but it road WAY worse then a 04 DEaver lifted truck. I tried 4 sets of custom coils and none provided the same quality ride as my 04 with springs.
On a side note if I ran 38s it will be Toyos. How much lift is that? They look like toyos
god damm dude you like deavers whatever ####... you have an opinion and so does every one else i had deaver yes they were nice but damn i wouldnt buy them again. but thats just me they didnt ride near as good as my icon 4 link on my 08. and yes Cary is a icon dealer and can also get deaver springs if you want he is known for some of the best riding leaf spring trucks in the last 10 years.
Why would a correctly built multi spring pack cause a rougher ride? Do you really know how this stuff works? I have no dog in this fight, but a lot of your statements have been dead wrong.
I got a PM that there was more misinformation in here... the spring rate WILL LOWER when going to a Deaver Multi leaf spring pack over a stock vehicle... PERIOD!!! They will work better....
IT WILL NOT MAKE IT HARDER unless you ask them to specially make you some springs that are hard as stockers.....
Oh and they are the oldest suspension manufacture there is!
I used a ball joint Dana 60 that used the newer 95 and up brakes like came on mine. I like the option of being able to set caster and camber if needed.
I run a multii-leaf pack Icon springs, which in effect are identical to Deavers. When comparing a multi-leaf spring to an equal lift double or triple pack, the multi (12+) will ride much better.
Think of stacking 3 5' long 2x4s ont top of each other and bolting together in the middle of the span. They need to be all the same length.
Now take a bunch of 1/4" x 3.5" strips of wood and stack them together with 4 at 5' long and then progressively having shorter strips to the middle.
Span each stack over a pair of sawhorses supporting at the ends of each pack. Now apply a static load and watch the deflection. One will require much less weight to flex.
Just a little FYI..I am a dealer for Icon, Deaver, Rize, Pure etc..I have personaly tried in OBS trucks Deavers, Icons and SD springs. SD springs will ride beter than any others period.
A correctly setup OBS with SD springs will ride better than a OBS with '05 up stock suspension untill you add 4 link arms.
"05 up trucks just don't ride that much better with the stock radius arm..it binds unless both tires hit the same bump at the same time. Get 4 link arms soooo much better.
But to those who think otherwize get what you want..its your $$.
If Deavers are a lower spring rate with a higher payload no chance a SD spring will ride better, NEVER.
99-04 guys have been complaining about stock springs and going to Deaver springs for years... the OBS is lighter so going to a SD spring will make it even worse!!!!! Deavers over SD spprings anyday!
Lets see pics of the OBS with Deavers you have done
damn,dont get on psn for a few days and i miss good stuff.
opcorn:,get him rob LOL.
dude caryt knows whats up with obs suspensions,when i first got here i didnt think he knew "all that about them",i called him and talked to him about suspensions and he does know what works.
if you want a bj front get it,if you want a kp front get it.either will work fine
also a member on here did the 05 up sd swap and he says his truck rides great.obs ext cab lb,same body as yours
I believe Cary has an 08 suspension under his truck now, I believe theres a few people that have put 05 suspensions under their trucks........I believe lott put it under his bronco too.
Wow. I only have one thing to add in here - I was made a believer of the RSK kit using factory superduty springs the first time I road in a CCLB with that setup on it. I was very impressed and would not be afraid of that setup on an OBS truck. Now - I also understand where you are coming from on the Deaver springs - I have a set under my Dmax - but if I had an OBS - my first choice would be Cary's setup - I think the Deavers would make it too soft.
How in the world can you say it would be to soft? you can tell them basically how you want the suspension. soft, firmer etc... 50% soft, 75% firm. you tell them how you want them....
I would love to know the spring rate of a stock SD spring versus an OBS spring
You know there is a difference between a super duty and an OBS, right? The sd leafs ride ruff on a sd but placed under an obs they work well. The sd leaf is a good option for someone that wants to do an RSK but keep the truck as low as possible. If your gonna lift it any higher than what the rsk offers then yes Deavers FTW. As for axles I'de grab whichever comes first or best price. I believe the 95-97's had bigger brakes.
Rob, lay off the sauce.. And for once, I mean ONCE! I actually agree with theSLEEZER on something.
Pick your poison on springs, Cary isn't "trying" to sell you a product. You can call him and he will answer any question you have. I personally have talked to Cary 2x or so on the phone and he is very good about telling you what his PERSONAL experience with such and such is. I know your dead set on deavers, nothing wrong IMO with that. It is your truck and you can do what you want. But the acting like a "tripod" does not get you far on this site, just saying and that is my .02
I simply wanted answers to statements made which no one has given. Its nto a tripod its getting truth out of it. Saying that a SD spring is going to ride better then a Deaver is absolutely INSANE which is what this sprouted over. I will be using something that will provide the best ride which is Deavers. Anyone wanting the best ride would be disappointed if they bought a SD spring instead of a Deaver once they rode in both.
Like I stated many times. SD spring might improve the ride over stock but it is not by any means the end all be all.
The argument started with Big K and country saying that SD springs will win everytime.. I can guarantee they will not if your looking for the best ride
An RSK with an SD Spring with Bilsten WILL ride better than a NON RSK truck with Deavers...
This is the problem, to get the OBS trucks to ride better, you have to LENGTHEN the front springs...they are just WAY too short...
The EASIEST and CHEAPEST way to do this...RSK Conversion, moved 3.5" Forward from Standard location and INSTALL Stock V-Code Springs, with Bilstein Shocks...
Done...
Will an RSK with SD Length Deaver Springs ride better??? I don't know...never tried it... have others...Yeap, I am sure...
Another Problem ROB....
OBS Guy don't want to spend the $$$ for the BEST RIDE EVER, they want something SIGNIFICANTLY better than stock at a good price...which this combo is (RSK+SD SPRINGS +Bilstein)
If they did want to spend the $$$ and want something EVEN better...they would 4 link it with 05+ Axles and be done...
maybe our confusion came from the RSK... that is bare minimum with anything on these trucks... It will be done along with springs. No sense in doing anything on these trucks without an RSK :doh:
And i wont disagree about a bilstein. For a shock even their yellow bodied shocks are far better then your average white body run of the mill shock. But the 5100 series even make it better
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