Is hime joints stong enough to do traction bars ?
Maybe 3/4" hime w/bung or bigger ?
Thanks
Maybe 3/4" hime w/bung or bigger ?
Thanks
What is an D60 ?Hiem's are definitely strong enough! 3/4" should be big enough, but I am not positive. With the proper sized hiem, you will break an untrussed d60 in half way before heim will break.
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Heims are junk for what you are contemplating. And yes...... for every 1 person that understands this, like myself, there are easily 946,432,123 people that will tell you that heims are bad-ass, and perfect for your traction bar. And they're all wrong.
It will wear out, and unfortunately, it won't take too long. When it does, you will be rewarded with a nice clink...... clank..... every time you load and unload the axle while driving. Not to mention that the heims will transmit every bit of vibration from the axle into your frame, unlike all the nice poly bushings you have at your spring-eye bushings, trac-bar mounts, so on and so forth.
Get yourself some nice rebuildable joints, like the Curry Jonnie-Joint, or the Uniballs, or any of those types of joints and be happy..... forever.
Secondly, ensure that your installed link angle and length works with the arc that your axles moves through when cycled. This is often times the same angle as your driveshaft, especially so on a mostly stock truck, as the OEM engineers strive to keep the driveshaft arc consistent with the axle movement in order to avoid excessive telescopic wear to the shaft itself.
1. Don't use Heims unless you just dislike yourself.
2. Match the angle and arc path to that of the axle itself as best you can.
And all will be well.
No actually they usually give them to their employee's and a lot of them run them on their trucks. But thats not because they are bad, it's prep.Yeah and a million dollar race truck throws the hiems in the trash after one race.
oh yeah btw hiems for steering are illegal on the street.
Hiems will still stretch and wear and clank, and back to no vibration damping. The ballistic joints I run are just as strong as and hiem of that size
Heims are a lot more then a normal bushing assembly. Not only do you need a heim, but you also need a bung to screw it into. Rubber or even polyurethane is by far cheaper the a heim. It also has give built into it. A heim is still a tie rod end for what it's worth. The reason OEM applications don't use polyurethane motor mounts / trans mounts is they do give more vibration. Ask anyone that has ridden in a 4cyl car with them, they are not a stock ride. Now that being said with stock motor and trans mounts (I have brand new ones in my ranger) with any wheel hop my stick shift moves about a 1 FOOT to either side. With poly mounts it moves about 1" if that. I have ridden in numerous trucks that have all had the same results. It's the reason any high quality aftermarket mounts are all poly.I think I mentioned something about the opinion of roughly 946,543,234 people vs any given person that will recommend a rebuildable joint. All we've done in the last few posts is put some names to the existing stats.
Ponder this, if heims are comparable in price, and longevity and superior in strength as asserted above, then why in all of the millions and millions of vehicles on the road today, with all the trac bars, radius arms, spring-eyes and the rest, do we not see the heims being put into service by the men who design these OEM systems? Why don't spring-eyes have a spherical bearing instead of a poly bushing? Why do all those jeeps have poly bushings on their links? What about all those radius arms on all those pickups out there? What about all those motor mounts, transmission mounts and the like?
Maybe, just maybe it's because the OEM's are smart enough to use a component that will last, and that doesn't cost them millions worth of warranty work swapping out noisy worn out bearings on a daily basis within the vehicle warranty period.
Else..... where are all the heims? If someone could just point me toward one heim joint on a superduty it would really help this argument along. Referencing vehicles that are in a constant state of repair like a lightweight race vehicle where components are thrown away on a race to race basis and that itself makes more vibration and noise than anything imaginable for a daily driver in the first place is hardly proving the worth of the components used there for daily duty in an on-road setting with much heavier vehicles that often times tow loads that weigh in excess of 3 times what the entire race vehicle weighs in total. This type of stress can, does and forever will turn spherical rod ends into putty in short order.