Well yet another FASS (P.O.S.) has left me hanging. Motor number 3 died sometime today. R.I.P. FASS. This one at least lasted about 5000 miles, which is about twice as long as the last one and 4900 miles longer than the first.
Guess its time to release the Fuellab pump project.
Here is my first thread about my major issues with my FASS system. ointlaugh:
While the Airdog would work and be a huge improvment. I am done with brushed motors for a fuel pump. Its a poor design for that application. Besides I have a Fuellab sitting on the desk!
My Suggestion is to replace the POS pickup tube they send you with the kit and go to something that is 1/2 ID. I'm working on a Kit with a parts list. The second setup is going into a EX soon. I'd also then run 1/2 Inch to the pump. My pump sounded list it was dyeing until I made that change. Now it purs like a kitten.
Matt, I am running a sump with a #12 line to the pump. I think its more than enough to maintain supply to the pump.. Much better than the p.o.s. dip tube and cheap o-ring they supply.
My first FASS motor died in like 3 months, my replacement has lasted a while, but I'm just waiting for it to die. I carry a spare motor at all times after the first one left me stranded...
I lost one pump and had to pay for it because I didn’t fill out the BS warranty card, but I have not had any problems since then......."goes to knock on wood".... good luck. If mine goes out again I will be building my own kit.
My Suggestion is to replace the POS pickup tube they send you with the kit and go to something that is 1/2 ID. I'm working on a Kit with a parts list. The second setup is going into a EX soon. I'd also then run 1/2 Inch to the pump. My pump sounded list it was dyeing until I made that change. Now it purs like a kitten.
So basically after you complete rebuild the pump correctly it works OK. Hmmmm?
IMO if you looking for air removal as opposed to an "all in one" setup get the low pressure Air dog 100 or 150 unit used in a lift pump position. The higher the pressure the less effective it is at removing air. I think Charles was right on this when he said pumps with brushed motors can either move volume or high pressure but not both and consistently last long.
Your only on your third motor... Im on my 6th! and funny thing is the last time they tried to deny me warrenty claiming they cant find my paperwork, there is no way that their pump could have failed and such. Turns out I got an email from them admitting they had found bad bearings. Now I carry a spare motor on me at all times.
Let me guess you had to deal with Dan? Last pump he told me it was tested by him. Only for it to arrive dead. After putting a ohm meter on it and finding a open circuit, I pulled the case and found the wires not even stripped off, let alone connected to the motor... oke:
I think I am going to be on a mission to find out. Pretty interesting they have no contact info on their home page at least that I can find.
Domain Name: FASS-FUEL-PUMPS.COM
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KLM Performance
Kevin Kelly
40 Range Road
Wilton, Connecticut 06897
United States
Phone: +1.2035639213
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Last modified: 2007-12-26 22:44:17 GMT
Administrative Info: (FAST-12931298)
KLM Performance
Kevin Kelly
40 Range Road
Wilton, Connecticut 06897
United States
Phone: +1.2035639213
Fax..:
Email:
Last modified: 2007-12-26 22:44:17 GMT
My FASS has been sitting on my truck for over a year without any use...Kinda makes me worry about when I get the truck going again. Might just swap it out now whil the truck is down.
Ever since my first FASS issue, I built a bypass so I can run the stock fuel pump into the fass filter base and bypass the pump if need be. So far I have driven on it that way twice to get by.
We definitely understand your area of concern and we have been working on improving the filter situation for about 3 months now. Here is some of the information and knowledge we have about the filters on the Titanium & HD Series.
As we have been discovering in discussions with different filter manufactures there are many variable’s when performing filtration test causing different results even with the same media, as seen in the following paragraph. We have also discovered that the exact same media will have a water separation reading in one filter as to where another filter having the exact same media will not have a reading for water separation. There is an example of this also, so there is some reading in-between the lines required.
The Titanium Series water separator WS-2001 (Fleetguards # FS19768) and the HD Series’ water separator WS-1001 (Fleetguards # FS1023) is a 140 micron stainless/steel serviceable wire mesh. These two elements are made of the exact same material; the only difference is that one has more material than the other. The FS19768 has a water separation efficiency rating of 50% per pass which was tested on 10-26-09, as to where the FS1023 has a 0% efficiency rating tested on 8-10-07. This type of media has water separating capability as they were also used for Caterpillar’s A, B and C model mechanical engines in heavy duty equipment.
Remember they have a 50% rating per pass; this is one reason for the MASS Volume Return which the FASS incorporates. The majority of the fuel that passes through the FASS is polished and returned to the fuel tank to be polished again, now for the 2nd stage of water filtration.
Before the fuel exits back to the fuel tank or passes through to the engine the fuel must pass through the 3 or 10 micron Stratapore element found in our FF-1010 or FF-2003. This element has the same exact water separating capabilities as the very popular Fleetguard FS1000 at a 95% water separation capability. The only difference between the element found in the FF-2003, Titanium Series fuel filter, and the FS1000 is the micron rating. The FS1000 has a drain on the bottom as to where ours doesn’t, we believe the bulk of the water will be captured in the water separator and remaining water will be captured in the fuel filter.
As stated in the opening paragraphs we have been in discussions with Racor, Baldwin, Donaldson just to name a few over the last 3 months and have been discovering ways to improve filtration. The FASS systems for the pick up market leaving our facility now have water separating capabilities ranging from 90 – 95% efficiencies. Here are a few examples of the filters we are using with their water separating efficiencies:
Water Separators:
Titanium Series:
1. FS19594 90%
2. P550550 90%
HD Series:
1. P551001 96%
2. FS1001 95%
We are researching fuel filters to improve water separating capabilities with our 3 micron filter for the HD Series. We had the understanding Fleetguard was using the 3 micron version of the Stratapore element for the Titanium Series fuel filter (#FF-2003), which they are not.
Many customers run the FASS Systems for different reasons, including improving injector issues. These customers have experienced improved injector life both in the pickup & class 8 markets. However there is always room to improve and that is what FASS is known for and committed to doing. We have demonstrated this in the past and will continue to do so; remember some of the noise issues? We now received a few calls to where the customer thought their FASS wasn’t running only to discover it was performing they just had to put their ear next to the bed to hear it running. Now we are releasing the FASS Fuel Systems with superior filtration. We are always researching and discovering ways to improve and build customer loyalty! We accomplish this usually by being proactive but sometimes Murphy’s Law hits us and we have to be re-active and we apologize for this. We appreciate your past and continuing support!
wow ill keep the airtex pump then from auto zone maybe put two
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