Have both brands available locally, with in a few dollars of each other. Any feedback would be helpful on which brand would be most beneficial. Also what type of oil filter is most used.
thanks for any info
Absolutely no question I would go with Schaeffers. But Valvoline Extreme is likely a quality product as well. It would be hard to go wrong with either.
In general Schaeffers has a much larger and higher quality additive package than most oils. higher moly, zinc, and phos especially in their diesel formulas.
Why is Schaeffers prefered? Just what Tarm Stated above...
In general Schaeffers has a much larger and higher quality additive package than most oils. higher moly, zinc, and phos especially in their diesel formulas.
Also it has brought back... hundreds of super looking UOAs.
It has a better additive package with some of the highest moly, phoso, zinic, and their proprietary Penetro. On Bobistheoilguy site there have been a couple guys that have run both in 7.3 and 6.0 and the Valvoline Extreme sheared faster and had lower tbn numbers. This is specifically in our HEUI engines. It is still a good syn oil but schaeffers IMO is better. I also like that Schaeffers is far more open about what is in their oils. Call many and you get the "it's a proprietary blend of additives and syn base stocks.:blah:"
BTW there was a 7.3 that went about 800K miles on schaeffers and only failed becasue the guy that bought it at that point thought it would be a good idea to feed it a boat load of NOS:doh: Not that the life can be solely contributed to Schaeffers but it obviously played a factor.
Been runnining the 5-40 for a year now . Just got my uoa back and was told to drain at 8000 miles. This is on an 03 7.3l cc duallyused for towing on the weekends and as a daily driver. it is a great oil. I run all there fluids as in syn in the tranny and their gear oil in the rearend. I run a mobil one oil filter. When i drain it at 8000 i will send another sample in trying for 10,000 mile changes with out a bypass system.
Do you mean is it the same for 6.0 as for 7.3? If so then yes. But as most know the 6.0s HPOP shears oil more aggressively than does the 7.3s so given both used the same all things being equal the 6.0 shoudl have shorter OCI than the 7.3 going by the numbers. Driving habits and uses play a HUGE role in this. Some that are very easy on their 6.0 have shown UOA that show much lower shear. Chip it and run it hard or tow etc and it shears faster. I would said in many of the conflicting reports you see about all kinds of things regarding parts performance etc, driving habits and expected uses are IMO at the root a very large part of the time.
Are you running UOAs? Going 10-12K for OCI I figured you are. Post some of the numbers up as its interesting to see the results of different engines and driving styles etc..
Are you running UOAs? Going 10-12K for OCI I figured you are. Post some of the numbers up as its interesting to see the results of different engines and driving styles etc..
Go to schaeffers website and look up by zip code it will list out all dealers around you. I had to drive about 30 miles to find someone who had enough of the 9000 in stock.
If you do not see one close enough give them a call. They have mobile sales reps as well. You can also go thru mail order thru a rep if you order over 300 IIRC shipping is free as well as a nice discount. This is why I do my buying is 5 gal buckets.
Just order up your other fluids ie tranny, axle, grease for the next few changes and you are GTG.
Getting an extended drain period should be no problems with a synthetic but I would at least send a sample to a lab to have them check it out and see what is going on with the oil before I went too far.
Like I said it really was not meant as a jab to you and I hope you do not take it as such. I do agree you are entirely up front. To each its own I guess. Again I am not saying your oil is not OK at that level but it seems not very well thought out to say I will know if my crap starts breaking and I need a engine build rather than have a $25 test run to see how long it is OK to run the oil and then staying with that interval. $25 for confirmation versus rolling the dice in a crap shoot with a $10,000 engine. It almost seems like you are boastful of the fact you beat the crap out of it and go over 2x the recommended without any testing at all.
As far as oil shearing I have not doubt you do not give a crap. But your engine likely does as that is what decides the the thickness of film the oil leaves to protect your engine parts.
Oil and its performance is associated with long term wear.
If that guy at eh show told you your engine was fine he must a miracle worker cause I can not think of a single professional in the field that does not recommend UOA as mandatory for EOCI. Different engines coming off the same assembly line can react differently this usually has more to do with how they are run than anything. That is the issue with much of it so much is effected by driving style and different usages. It significantly effects OCI based on its effects.
The motivations behind 0 w oils is MPG gains and HP gains. But what has been shown thru a number of longevity tests from engine break downs is that while these oils do increase power and mpg thru lower loss in hydraulics ( sorry can't thin of the correct term) They do show increase long term wear. Which again has to do with the film. Now this may change with need additives and what not but again the motivation behind these has to be kept in perspective. It is emissions and mpg.
You are obviously happy with the way you do things and regardless of what I present I very much doubt I would change your mind. It works for you, its your money, and you are happy. In the end that is what matters. It would be a terrible place if we all had to agree with each other all the time.
Just tired of the OMG get a UOA at all of these different times and hearing about people chainging their synthetic at 2500mile intervals or some of the other rediculously low stuff that I see. And people talking about base stocks and additive packs and all of the other stuff that goes along with it. I wanted to experiment. I tell people what I do. I don't want any misconception about how I treat the vehicle since the majority of people say "I don't get on it much", or "I hardly ever race anybody".
The look on the faces of people that can't understand how I don't have injector problems is what helps me sleep at night.
One additional point to add. Running 10-12K I would be concerned about the oils oxidation test results, since oxidation level is a direct reflection of an oils serviceability.
The only reason why I have my oil in for 6k miles right now is because doug told me he runs 10k-12k on oil changes.
I'll probably change mine at 9k. Or right before I drive to Ohio.
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