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Old 11-03-2009, 03:10 AM
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fuel mileage on the 6.7

so today i was talking to my dealer about the new trucks and when i would see one there, they weren't sure but they did say that at the meeting that the expected fuel economy would start with a 2. this is a reliable source, so anyone else heard other wise?
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

When I spoke with the engineers, they said they were getting 17/22 MPG from their test trucks...
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wow , so it is very real?
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wow , so it is very real?
Eh, who knows untill they hit the road.....
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

its still a powerstroke, id expect 12/15.....when its not in the shop
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its still a powerstroke, id expect 12/15.....when its not in the shop
good joke... its not made by international anymore
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

It's all in the piston bowls........ International should have wised up to the Cummins style bowls years ago..... Now we have Cummins technology in a Powerstroke.
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

The best I've ever gotten on my 6.0 was 19.1 on a best mileage run to the beach.
I'm usually getting 15.5 in mixed driving when not towing.
If the new truck could get better actual mileage I'd be all over it.
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haha..figured that would get someone all fired up.
but ill still have to see it to belive it, im just getting tired of the let down of owning a powerstroke. it would be cool if ford could finally get an engine worth a sh!t though
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it would be cool if ford could finally get an engine worth a sh!t though
They did, but they quit using it in the north american trucks in 2003.
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They did, but they quit using it in the north american trucks in 2003.
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

just went for a ride in a 350 CC LB SRW with 3.36 gears... with romping on it and messing around it still was averaging 24+ MPG
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

if it realy gets that milleage i wont give a damn about the auto only bs, ill be driving one of the brand new trucks in a year or two.
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

I can tell you all something from the Agriculture side, Agco tractor's recently went to urea injection side and it's SISU engine, but we've had 6 of these high horse tractors before going to a Urea injection unit, and we gainned 45 horse (thats a lot in a tractor because the torque is so high) and actually saw a 30 to 35% fuel eco. increase. --- no chips no programers no nothing stock VS. stock so I personally believe there really getting 17city and 22highway, there probablly not driving those truccks like we would but It'd have increase a lot
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All urea motors are getting a significant improvement in fuel economy. Two reasons. Less egr and more in cylinder nox.
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I can tell you all something from the Agriculture side, Agco tractor's recently went to urea injection side and it's SISU engine, but we've had 6 of these high horse tractors before going to a Urea injection unit, and we gainned 45 horse (thats a lot in a tractor because the torque is so high) and actually saw a 30 to 35% fuel eco. increase. --- no chips no programers no nothing stock VS. stock so I personally believe there really getting 17city and 22highway, there probablly not driving those truccks like we would but It'd have increase a lot
The companies going with CEGR & DPF instead of SCR for Tier 4A are going to be hurting for economy.

I've heard from someone who is communicates closely with some of the Tier4 AG application engineers that the pre-scr emissions (between engine/turbo and the SCR injection & reaction chamber) on a Tier4A engine could be close to Tier2 standards for most operating conditions.
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

I hope the numbers are true, I miss my 7.3L that was chipped, exhaust, intake and a few other things, it would get 20+ all day long for mpg. I'm getting tired of my 6.0L that has never in 160k miles seen better than 14.5 mpg. All I did was intake and exhaust and that helped, but I don't dare program it.
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The companies going with CEGR & DPF instead of SCR for Tier 4A are going to be hurting for economy.
A modern motor ('03-'10) runs about 20% egr. So that means 20% of every combustion event is filled up w/ inert exhaust gas. It also means that 20% of the air is full of soot. Furthermore the cold burn that this causes increases PM and makes the DPF regen more often (in addition to hurting mpg, increasing coolant temps, etc).

So the new SCR motors don't need to run such a high % of EGR because they can clean up Nox in the exhaust system now w/ the SCR. So they are only running about 10% EGR so the DPF and the EGR valve work way less now. Plus all the other advantages that less egr brings like more responsive motor, better mpg, etc...

The new Navistar motors on the other hand are touting an 'all EGR solution" The big truck motors (Maxxforce) has two giant egr valves on it and these things run at 50% egr. That means half the gas in the cylinder is inert. That means lots of soot being put into the engine. A huge heat load on the radiator to cool down that exhaust gas. That means lots of poor combustion so low power, low mpg, and more PM which means more regens for the DPF.

In short, International has screwed up BIG TIME. This is a collosal error in line w/ the one Caterpillar made in 2002 that ruined their motors.

Even MAN, a Navistar company in Europe is running SCR already.

SCR is brilliant because it removes Nox so effectively that if it was able to respond quicker the motors could pass all current standards w/o any DPF or EGR.
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Re: fuel mileage on the 6.7

Also, I've never been a fan of the tiny bowls on the International motors. Yes, they do burn fast but for maximum power a small bowl works against you because you can't use much timing due to cylinder pressure exceeding mechanical limits quickly. For every degree of timing you can get away with you have more time to put the fuel in the bowl and acutally get power from it.

I looked at a 6.7 motor this weekend at the Houston Rodeo and was suprised by a few things including air to water intercooling and packaging in general. Now that they have bigger piston bowls and can run some timing due to urea on board, I see big power potential and some awesome mileage.
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The one i saw yesterday, showed 15.6 on the avg MPG meter in the dash.... he had just driven it from texas to CO too....
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The one i saw yesterday, showed 15.6 on the avg MPG meter in the dash.... he had just driven it from texas to CO too....
You can't trust the mpg meter unless you know personally when the last time it was reset, how much idling the truck has done, etc. It will only keep a rolling average, so you have to reset it often to know what you are truly getting.
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You can't trust the mpg meter unless you know personally when the last time it was reset, how much idling the truck has done, etc. It will only keep a rolling average, so you have to reset it often to know what you are truly getting.
which i agree with, and im not sure when it was reset or anything, but it made my heart sink when i seen it... other than that I was REALLY impressed with it. Thing is nearly silent with the hood down, and cant even hear it at the tail pipe at all when its running.
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which i agree with, and im not sure when it was reset or anything, but it made my heart sink when i seen it... other than that I was REALLY impressed with it. Thing is nearly silent with the hood down, and cant even hear it at the tail pipe at all when its running.
Check out this thread, and more importantly, the latest post with the quote on mpg averages, 26mpg for 3.55 gears on 20"s, and 29mpg for 3.31 gears on 17"s.
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Check out this thread, and more importantly, the latest post with the quote on mpg averages, 26mpg for 3.55 gears on 20"s, and 29mpg for 3.31 gears on 17"s.
I KNOW better and everyone else should to. It denies physics to be able to push an 8K # 4x4 brick thru the air and get some fantastical mileage number.

If the truck can match say a great running 7.3 (16-19 mpg) that would be mighty impressive considering what has been added to the truck in terms of emissions, driver comfort, and performance over the last decade.

Get a grip man!
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I KNOW better and everyone else should to. It denies physics to be able to push an 8K # 4x4 brick thru the air and get some fantastical mileage number.
i wouldn't say that, but it does seem unbelievable
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I KNOW better and everyone else should to. It denies physics to be able to push an 8K # 4x4 brick thru the air and get some fantastical mileage number.

If the truck can match say a great running 7.3 (16-19 mpg) that would be mighty impressive considering what has been added to the truck in terms of emissions, driver comfort, and performance over the last decade.

Get a grip man!
You don't have to tell me to get a grip, I've been trying to say the same thing you just said for months to people that are pissed that the 6.4 doesn't get mileage like the 7.3. It's impossible to do with a heavier, more powerful engine. It's not rocket science!

I get 15-16 in town and 17-18 highway completely stock with my 6.4 and couldn't be happier. If others aren't able to get that in theirs, then either something is wrong with their truck or they need to learn to not flog the piss out of the skinny pedal.
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That doesn't mean anything at this point. Well except that on this particular truck w/ this particular set-up that the mileage computer was grossly inaccurate. Or maybe it was filled up at the top of the mountain range and then coasted down the hill into the parking lot. I mess around w/ my 30 mpg car and can make it read over 100 mpg at least for a couple of miles when I coast downhill.
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That doesn't mean anything at this point. Well except that on this particular truck w/ this particular set-up that the mileage computer was grossly inaccurate. Or maybe it was filled up at the top of the mountain range and then coasted down the hill into the parking lot. I mess around w/ my 30 mpg car and can make it read over 100 mpg at least for a couple of miles when I coast downhill.
I made my F150 read 78 mpg once by resetting it while coasting at 20 mph.
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Pickuptrucks.com got 22mpg on a 70 mi mixed driving run with 1000lbs in tbe bed.
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I believe low 20's are going to be possible with this motor. Part of the 6.4s poor fuel economy as well as the 07.5 & up Cummins & Dmax is that damn screen in the exhaust that they are trying to crap through, not to mention the extra fuel that has to be burned to clean them out too. (Brilliant EPA BS!) Once tunes come out for this 6.7 & some of the extra bs can fall off the motor it will definitely be in the 20s with the gearing in these trucks.
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