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Old 04-22-2009, 12:17 AM
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My own Grey vs. Black CPS test

I had a chance today to compare the grey and black CPS's side by side, and give you guys some results that you can actually see. I took several pictures showing the size variations, as well as showing the differences in the magnetic strength. The results are conclusive, there are distinguishable difference between the two. Check it out with your own eyes.

First, here are the results of AE and the changes in cylinder rotation. Most cylinders remain mostly the same, however notice the distinct changes in the #3 and #8 cylinders. My #8 drops to zero because I'm running a regulated return and an AD injector instead of an LL. Those with LL injectors probably won't see 0% on #8. I put down the ranges that I saw with each cylinder, with the minimum and maximum values seen after monitoring each cylinder for more than 1 minute each. Engine was completely warmed up each time, with extended drive cycles to ensure that testing was fair and equal.


Grey CPS:________ Black CPS:
1) 0.2-1.2%______ 0.2-0.9%
2) 0.7-1.2%______ 0.7-1.2%
3) 1.6-2.4%______ 0.0%
4) 0.0-0.7%______ 0.0-0.8%
5) 0.0%__________ 0.2-0.7%
6) 0.0%__________ 0.0%
7) 0.0%__________ 0.0%
8) 1.7-2.6%______ 0.0%


The next two pictures show the differences in size. The black CPS is obviously wider than the grey, but if you look closely you can see that it is also slightly longer. For the length comparison, I stood them upright side by side on a level surface so you can see the slight difference.






Now for the last two pictures, I found a washer that was heavy enough that the grey CPS couldn't pick it up off the table, but the black CPS had no trouble picking it up every single time. In fact, the strength difference was incredible, as I could move the black CPS in any direction I wanted and with some force, and the washer wouldn't fall off. The grey one on the other hand could barely lift a corner of the washer off the table, but never could lift the entire thing.





This is all the testing I could think of. Unfortunately I don't have other testing materials such as an oscilloscope to compare signal differences between the two. A while back, Swamps offered to run a test between grey and black CPS's using a cam timing gear, a variable speed motor, and an oscilloscope to see if they could in fact find signal differences between the two sensors. A test like that would verify what many PSD owners have seen with scanners hooked up to their trucks. If they do move forward with that test, I would be very interested to see the results.

On my truck, the grey CPS did not pose enough of a problem to actually trigger a check engine light, or to fail the CCT. However, results may vary with other engines. It is obvious that there is an effect on the #3 and #8 cylinders. Most of the rest remained about the same, with only a small rise on #5 with the black CPS installed.

Right now I am taking a guess that the weaker magnet and slightly shorter sensor has an effect on when the CPS actually picks up the cam timing gear, which would have an effect on injection timing as well. Feel free to discuss or post up ideas or additional information.
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:36 AM
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Re: My own Grey vs. Black CPS test

I failed a Cont test, and had a idle knock with the gray... replaced without asking while in the shop for a completely differant issue... Thank you Ford for costing me another $40 bucks for a new black...
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Mine also had an idle knock and fails a CCT on the number 8. I have the gray CPS and will switch to the black..

AE Shows my #8 at 5.0%
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I need to get a black sensor. ford stealership here doesnt have any and the parts guy got buthurt when i tried to explain that the new and improved grey sensor was lighting my CEL.
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What part number is the black CPS?
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I 'm getting a BLUE ONE ! Makes the truck smoke like hell !

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I fixed your first post pics with the ones on this site Curtis.

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I had my sensor changed out about a year or so ago with no probs. But I have a black one in my door just in case!
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I fixed your first post pics with the ones on this site Curtis.

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Thanks Tom, you can go ahead and delete my repost of the pics if you want. For slower connections I don't think people need two copies of the same pics loading.
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I 'm getting a BLUE ONE ! Makes the truck smoke like hell !

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The blue one retards the timing,but heres the International part #1807339c92.
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I'll see if Jon will scope the CPS signal on his test bench with a gray vs black CPS.

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Curtis, great post!

Rep points to you for....oops, wrong board. My bad!



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could someone post a DIY for switching out the CPS? I got the grey one and seems like the truck is idleing rough as hell.
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Who hasnt had problems with the grey sensor yet?
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im gonna get the ford place to do the recall swap again just for chits giggles and then ill do the black one. bad idea?
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When I went in for the recall I pulled out my good black one and put in my old one that was going out. Went in and had them do the recall and ment to pull out the grey one but over a year has passed and havent had any issues with it yet.
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could someone post a DIY for switching out the CPS? I got the grey one and seems like the truck is idleing rough as hell.
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Thanks man, I appreciate it. Now I just gotta order one of them black ones.
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Curtis,
Would you be willing to send me the SAME two CPS's you used in your test?
What I want to do is run those same two units on my test bench and analyze the waveforms with an oscilloscope.
What I have is a 60-2 tooth Eletcromotive crankshaft trigger wheel mounted to a variable speed motor, and a PSD camshaft trigger wheel mounted onto the 60-2 wheel.
There is a MSD pickup on the 60-2 wheel and a CPS on the PSD wheel.

In addition to scoping the waveforms, I plan on comparing the phasing between the gap position on the 60-2 wheel and the PSD cam trigger to see if there is a trigger point (timing) difference between the gray and black CPS's.

I have spent literally hundreds of hours with a scope monitoring injection timing on trucks and have never observed any differences between the two CPS's, nor have we ever noticed any problems or differences on the trucks that come to our shop, but your tests show some very significant differences!
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Would you be willing to send me the SAME two CPS's you used in your test?
What I want to do is run those same two units on my test bench and analyze the waveforms with an oscilloscope.
What I have is a 60-2 tooth Eletcromotive crankshaft trigger wheel mounted to a variable speed motor, and a PSD camshaft trigger wheel mounted onto the 60-2 wheel.
There is a MSD pickup on the 60-2 wheel and a CPS on the PSD wheel.

In addition to scoping the waveforms, I plan on comparing the phasing between the gap position on the 60-2 wheel and the PSD cam trigger to see if there is a trigger point (timing) difference between the gray and black CPS's.

I have spent literally hundreds of hours with a scope monitoring injection timing on trucks and have never observed any differences between the two CPS's, nor have we ever noticed any problems or differences on the trucks that come to our shop, but your tests show some very significant differences!
Hey...how about also including the blue CPS in your testing? I read lots of anecdotal information about the possibility of gain or loss in performance, but no kind of actual testing to prove anything one way or another.

Thanks...

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Hey...how about also including the blue CPS in your testing? I read lots of anecdotal information about the possibility of gain or loss in performance, but no kind of actual testing to prove anything one way or another.

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BTW, Pocket: Excellent info!
DP Tuner has done some comparative testing of the black and blue sensors.
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I can tell you first hand the blue cps is not good for a modded truck. Way more smoke.
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the Blue (DT466e) CPS retards injection timing by ~4deg, as I recall...making the injection event happen late (hence the smoke)...
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the Blue (DT466e) CPS retards injection timing by ~4deg, as I recall...making the injection event happen late (hence the smoke)...
If you need a blue one for any testing.....there is one in my glove compartment......along with a gray one. Dont you touch the other stuff thats stashed in my truck!
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Is there a way to do this in the truck? I am pretty sure the portable O-scope from work can log data.
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I wish I ran the blue CPS........
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the Blue (DT466e) CPS retards injection timing by ~4deg, as I recall...making the injection event happen late (hence the smoke)...
That is what I have heard. But I don't understand how that can be when it's simply a hall-effect magnetic pickup...unless it has some electronics built in it to cause the pulse delay. There are still web vendors selling the Blue CPS as a supposed improvement over the stock one. And why is the "new and improved" stock one causing so much trouble?

It would be VERY interesting to see a scope comparison of the three different CPS's.

Of course, someone would have to have fancy test-bench to run such a comparison (Golfer...)
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Which two are extra?
#3 and #6.
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If you need a blue one for any testing.....there is one in my glove compartment......along with a gray one. Dont you touch the other stuff thats stashed in my truck!
along with a black one
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That is what I have heard. But I don't understand how that can be when it's simply a hall-effect magnetic pickup...unless it has some electronics built in it to cause the pulse delay. There are still web vendors selling the Blue CPS as a supposed improvement over the stock one. And why is the "new and improved" stock one causing so much trouble?

It would be VERY interesting to see a scope comparison of the three different CPS's.

Of course, someone would have to have fancy test-bench to run such a comparison (Golfer...)
That's the mystery we are trying to figure out. Yes it's a simple hall effect sensor, but is it possible that there is a "lag" time that can be seen and duplicated based on both the strength of the magnet and distance (length) from the cam marker. I'm sure the actual signal between all the sensors is identical, but if the reaction time between all of them is different, then that maybe that's why we see these engines react so weird with different CPS's installed.

Either that or maybe my own crazy-assed theory is way off. Who knows. It's late on a Friday night right now and I just got back from beating the crap out of people.
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along with a black one
Forgot about that one. Some people carry a back up CPS.....I carry 3.
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That is what I have heard. But I don't understand how that can be when it's simply a hall-effect magnetic pickup...unless it has some electronics built in it to cause the pulse delay. There are still web vendors selling the Blue CPS as a supposed improvement over the stock one. And why is the "new and improved" stock one causing so much trouble?

It would be VERY interesting to see a scope comparison of the three different CPS's.

Of course, someone would have to have fancy test-bench to run such a comparison (Golfer...)
Don't understand the reason why either but it do. Sucks I had a handful of cam sensors and was like well which ones are good an which are bad ? Let me tell ya it sux to have been drinking and have one fail,sucks worse is having to replace it while parked on the side of the road.Seems like for a while (till I ponied up for a new one) the blue one was my ace in the hole,soo its my spare it lives in the glove box with a 1/4 drive ratchet and a 6 point 10 mm deep socket !
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OK I found the part number International #1821720c99 but where do I order it from? Is this something I can get at NAPA or ford or autozone? I am new to these trucks but after what I read I want to carry a spare.
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OK I found the part number International #1821720c99 but where do I order it from? Is this something I can get at NAPA or ford or autozone? I am new to these trucks but after what I read I want to carry a spare.
You can order that part number from a local International Harvester dealer or you can get F4TZ-12K093-C from Ford. It is the CPS for the 94 to 96 and it is about 35.00 bucks. It will work in any of the 7.3 powerstrokes.
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Ok so Im starting my own test. Ive ran the grey cps for about a year now and for work I drive 222 miles round trip 3 days in a row. I calculated my mileage with the grey cps and now this week Ill put in the black cps. Ill let you all know what I come up with in 4 days.
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You can order that part number from a local International Harvester dealer or you can get F4TZ-12K093-C from Ford. It is the CPS for the 94 to 96 and it is about 35.00 bucks. It will work in any of the 7.3 powerstrokes.
got the ford one and its blue. ? wrong one?
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The blue cps retards the timming if im not mistaken.
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The blue cps retards the timming if im not mistaken.
Yep you are correct.
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got the ford one and its blue. ? wrong one?
A blue one from Ford?
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When I went in for the recall I pulled out my good black one and put in my old one that was going out. Went in and had them do the recall and ment to pull out the grey one but over a year has passed and havent had any issues with it yet.
I remember that day well swapping out the old CPS in my driveway & didn't get the old one 100% tight......(get to dealer & tech comes over to us)

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Thats was some funny ass ####! Oil leak? Where the hell did that come from!
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A blue one from Ford?
Yes sir. It's a dark blue but blue no less. It's for a 96 7.3. It was $35. I figured thy was better than 180 or whatever for a black one. But I don't wanna retard my already crippled athlete anymore than it is.
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Yes sir. It's a dark blue but blue no less. It's for a 96 7.3. It was $35. I figured thy was better than 180 or whatever for a black one. But I don't wanna retard my already crippled athlete anymore than it is.
Would you say like a dark purplish in color? If so that is the new "black" one for the OBS from ford. The only black ones you might find are old inventory from Ford.

The IH blue is a pure blue color and it is the only one that retards timing because it is for a 6 cylinder engine.
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Hey everyone,

I'm new to PSD's. Ya'll have me a bit confused on these CPS's. There's black, purple, a couple different color blues, a grey one, one for an International 6 cyl (dont know why you would want a 6cyl part in a 8cyl) and one for OBS's.... Sheesh, what CPS do I need for a 100% stock 99 F250 7.3 PSD, that it will run correctly with? And, again where is the best place to get it (the right one)??

Thanks in advance,

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you would want, according to pockets results a black one. Right now most are running either a black or grey one. I beleive you can still get both from either an IH dealer or Ford.
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you would want, according to pockets results a black one. Right now most are running either a black or grey one. I beleive you can still get both from either an IH dealer or Ford.
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Would you say like a dark purplish in color? If so that is the new "black" one for the OBS from ford. The only black ones you might find are old inventory from Ford.

The IH blue is a pure blue color and it is the only one that retards timing because it is for a 6 cylinder engine.
Yea it's a really dark blue. So I got the right one?
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Yea it's a really dark blue. So I got the right one?
Like this, or darker...blueish/purple??

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Like this, or darker...blueish/purple??

Darker. With a silver metal part. I just put it in and it doesn't seem to have fixed anything
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I went to the IH store yesterday to see if they had any black cps left. They said yea and they said they had 2 of them.
So sure as #### I was going to get both of them but when he brought them out take a wild guess what color they were?
Thats right GRAY! Oh and they swore it was the black one1 FN dumbasses!
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I went to the IH store yesterday to see if they had any black cps left. They said yea and they said they had 2 of them.
So sure as #### I was going to get both of them but when he brought them out take a wild guess what color they were?
Thats right GRAY! Oh and they swore it was the black one1 FN dumbasses!
Damn,better luck next time.
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So I am running the gray CPS now and fail a CCT on the number 8 and sometimes the number 2 cylinders....

I also have a knock now at idle!


going today to International and getting the black.
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so the "black" one i got is better but hasnt fixed anything.
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got a black one from IH dealer yesterday, it was labled with a grey part number and the black ones got deleted out of thier system so i got the black one for grey price $19.55 ... fault code gone since, fingers crossed.
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The "black one" (like really dark blue) is what IH sold me today
P/N 1876736C91 said it was latest update...Thats my back up.

Aljay I have nice new "gray one " for your smoker!
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The "black one" (like really dark blue) is what IH sold me today
P/N 1876736C91 said it was latest update...Thats my back up.

Aljay I have nice new "gray one " for your smoker!
How much did it cost?
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It came to $29. and change. I guess I didn't get the Gray or buddy
deal.
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Sounds real cheap for an International cps.
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Well Box even has "Navistar, Inc." on it and Henchon (made in)
Mexico . PLease don't tell me I got had...
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All of my black cps boxes say,INTERNATIONAL,made in the usa.Nothing about Navistar?
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Guess I've been had by the IH dealer, hope it'll get me home if
it comes down to it! It even has the PN stamp in it. Second
look at box and it does say International in big white letters.
The Navistar is small white letters on lower side.
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The "black one" (like really dark blue) is what IH sold me today
P/N 1876736C91 said it was latest update...Thats my back up.

Aljay I have nice new "gray one " for your smoker!
Let us know how it works out.
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All of my black cps boxes say,INTERNATIONAL,made in the usa.Nothing about Navistar?
"Navistar" is "International Harvester"...same company.

I believe all of the "factory" CPS's are made by Navistar/IH, the Ford ones are just repackaged. When I replaced my CPS a couple of yeas ago, I got it at a Ford dealer. It was the black one (and it cost a bunch!). It was in a "Ford" bag, but the CPS itself had both "IH" and the IH part number on it. I'm also pretty sure it was "hecho en U.S.A", IIRC...lol

I believe now, though, that some of the parts may be made and marketed by other companies.
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You can order that part number from a local International Harvester dealer or you can get F4TZ-12K093-C from Ford. It is the CPS for the 94 to 96 and it is about 35.00 bucks. It will work in any of the 7.3 powerstrokes.
Is this they one they will put in my 96 to honor the recall?
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BTW Curtis, I have a blue CPS if you want to do a test. In fact I need to get another black one for my 96 to replace the current blue one in it. I think I have two blue spares in addition to that one. Fell for the pretty advertising again.
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Hey guys, did I get the wrong PN for a 2001 7.3???

PN 1876736C91 is what they laid on me. Or it the same
for all 7.3?

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"Navistar" is "International Harvester"...same company.

I believe all of the "factory" CPS's are made by Navistar/IH, the Ford ones are just repackaged. When I replaced my CPS a couple of yeas ago, I got it at a Ford dealer. It was the black one (and it cost a bunch!). It was in a "Ford" bag, but the CPS itself had both "IH" and the IH part number on it. I'm also pretty sure it was "hecho en U.S.A", IIRC...lol

I believe now, though, that some of the parts may be made and marketed by other companies.
Yes i know International & Navistar are the same co.,but he said his was made in Mexico?
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Hey guys, did I get the wrong PN for a 2001 7.3???

PN 1876736C91 is what they laid on me. Or it the same
for all 7.3?

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I'm not saying the one you got wont work,but the black cps that i and most folks want is INTERNATIONAL #1821720c99.
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Well I guess I got "HAD"... I'll have to find an other place to get
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Is this they one they will put in my 96 to honor the recall?
If the 96 is included in the recall then yes, I can't remember if the 96s were included?
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Didn't Jody have these listed on his website?
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Didn't Jody have these listed on his website?
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I'm not saying the one you got wont work,but the black cps that i and most folks want is INTERNATIONAL #1821720c99.
Any idea where the black International CPS #1825899C93 fits in all this. I bought this from Powerstrokeshop.com back in 2002. After Ford did the recall (grey) on my truck I pulled the grey cps and put my International one in. I just found another black International #1825899C93 as a spare. Is this an older version black or what? Is the one I have the correct one???????
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I had this discussion with my IH parts guy a few months ago. IH is OUT of their supply of black sensors. There may be a few dealerships that still have some left on their shelves...but nationally...they are out. The part number...1821720c99 now rolls over to the grey cps.

If you are lucky enough to stumble across a dealer that has a black one on the shelf...get it. I know that NAPA carries a black one...I don't know the part number. I have heard mixed results about that one though. Some report good things...others report that its a piece of crap and good for nothing except a paperweight.
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Any idea where the black International CPS #1825899C93 fits in all this. I bought this from Powerstrokeshop.com back in 2002. After Ford did the recall (grey) on my truck I pulled the grey cps and put my International one in. I just found another black International #1825899C93 as a spare. Is this an older version black or what? Is the one I have the correct one???????
I've always bought mine from Jody@dp tuner,but there out of them.
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I had this discussion with my IH parts guy a few months ago. IH is OUT of their supply of black sensors. There may be a few dealerships that still have some left on their shelves...but nationally...they are out. The part number...1821720c99 now rolls over to the grey cps.

If you are lucky enough to stumble across a dealer that has a black one on the shelf...get it. I know that NAPA carries a black one...I don't know the part number. I have heard mixed results about that one though. Some report good things...others report that its a piece of crap and good for nothing except a paperweight.
This link is not directed at any one individual, so no flamin. Look at the part #'s for the International CPS listed in the link. Is there a right one and a wrong one? Or it does not matter. Several of you have posted the 1821720C99. Match that # to the # in the link. I have always for years wanted to know why the difference in the #'s. If somebody could cross reference the #'s in the link from Ford to International we might get somewhere and I can bury the dead horse.
Can we keep this civil? To me I see it as the C99 # should go to the 99-03 and the C93# should go to the 94-97 but the info shows different. I am running the International 1825899C93 and also have a spare.
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A couple of years ago, when I replaced my CPS (with an International one), I told the IH dealer I needed one for a T444e engine. The dealer said he needed to know the engine serial number. He basically said there was any "early" and a "late" version of the CPS for the 444.

I'm sure this coresponds to the "early" and "late" version of the Powerstroke as well.
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This link is not directed at any one individual, so no flamin. Look at the part #'s for the International CPS listed in the link. Is there a right one and a wrong one? Or it does not matter. Several of you have posted the 1821720C99. Match that # to the # in the link. I have always for years wanted to know why the difference in the #'s. If somebody could cross reference the #'s in the link from Ford to International we might get somewhere and I can bury the dead horse.
Can we keep this civil? To me I see it as the C99 # should go to the 99-03 and the C93# should go to the 94-97 but the info shows different. I am running the International 1825899C93 and also have a spare.
http://65.121.190.196/mods/cps.html
The following comes directly from my IH guy...who I trust quite a bit.

The base number for the cps is the 1821720. This is the last base number for the sensor. The Cxx number stands for the iteration of said part. So...C93 was the first version of the part...with C99 being the last iteration of the part. He told me that sometimes the only reason a part number changes is because something else changed with the motor. So...the part physically stayed the same...but the part number changed.

According to him...there is no such thing as an "early 7.3L" cps versus a "late 7.3L cps". The sensors are completely interchangeable with the motors. If you have a cps with a part number 1821720C93...it is the same as a cps with a part number of 1821720C99. One of the first ones I got from him was the C93 version. It ran fine in my early 99. The last one I got from him (I have 3 new ones stashed away ) was a C99 version. I installed it and the truck runs just the same. No difference from what I could tell.

He was also the one that did a national search of the IH version of the cps...and told me that nationally...there are no more.
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I know this is an old thread but I just found it in an online search. Just this morning I had to get a CPS so I stopped at my local IH dealer and he sold me IH # 1821720C99.

Did I luck up by getting this? What I've read here is that these no longer exist.

Is this the correct CPS for my 96 7.3? The truck is running, but doesn't seem "right" for some reason. I've also read that maybe these older sensors won't work as well if you have a programmer on the truck, which I do.

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If the sensor is magnetic, it's not a Hall Effect sensor, it's a VR sensor, or variable reluctance. The only way a hall sensor would work in this case is if there were magnets attached to the cam gear.

At any rate, if there is a difference in the actual magnet used in the sensor, then it will have a change in output of the sensor, unless there are built in electronics (signal conditioning) in the sensor itself. Also, a VR sensor is somewhat sensitive to installation clearance, or how close it is to the actual gear or wheel. The farther away, the less signal strength. I could see in some cases with a weaker magnet, a mounting bracket and engine block that were at the opposite end of the tolerance spectrum, that the signal may not be "within spec" for the computer.

I would like to see this test done as well, seeing as how today I just had to change my CPS out due to my truck going into what seemed to be a "limp mode" and hardly idling. I replaced with a grey aftermarket sensor, and it's back on the road again. I don't know if it's the fact that I read here today before I replaced the sensor that the grey one lowers performance, but I could almost swear it seems to be down on power. It does idle quite well though.
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Update from this morning. I'm thinking the Grey vs black in may case is the placebo effect. Power seems the same and the mileage computer is right on target. Time will tell on the mileage aspect as I'll need to drive it for a week and do a hand calculation. This morning when I filled up, I hand calculated it to be 18.0 mpg vs the computer saying 17.2. Close enough IMO.
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I ran a black cps till it started to go. Got a grey one from ford and it ran fine for a while. Then run the test and number's 3 and 8. Changed it to a black today and it runs better. I still have to take it to have the test run again.
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I'm having a hard time even finding a black one - for a reasonable price. Still running the aftermarket sensor at this point. Doesn't run as good as it used to, and the mileage seems to be a little lower.
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My truck is hard staring, rough/shack idle and no power. Truck has new #4 injector and as of yesterday new idm and injector harness and gaskets both side truck still runs like crap. Truck failed contribution test today, #3 & #8. I was going to replace 3 & 8 injectors but after reading this, do I just need cps?
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Anyone have any idea in regards to a 7.3 that has developed all of the sudden a need to not start or die all at once while driving? I installed new fuel filter and checked that the pumps are working and also installed a new CPS today. With that being said, it will fire right up sometimes and run for an hour or so but then will not restart.
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Have you run a scanner to check for soft codes yet? If not that should be the first thing you do. You can swing by a PEpboys as they have scanners with the Ford sensor package or pick up AE.

Of things it could be a IPR or HPOP itself. You could have a cam gear walking and causing lose of signal with the CPS

Way to many things so first check codes to see if it points you in any direction.
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I ran a snap-on code reader and no codes where present. This morning the truck fires right up. After running for a period, it then will not start. Also, checked all fuses and all were good. Also, should the tach move even with a TS chip?
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yes your tachometer should move When cranking. A Chip will not keep it from moving.

Is it a chip Right from TS or is it a TS style chip???
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It is from TS but a friend of mine wrote the codes. I have had it on the truck for 8 months or so.
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That could be the trouble. right there. Depend on who you "friend " is. But you say it will not start back up?? Does your tachometer move when cranking???
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The tach never moves. I don't recall it ever moving though. But apparently it should huh? I did replace the CPS with one from Autozone. Maybe that is a mistake because it is a grey.
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As of right this moment, it will start up perfectly fine but after a very short drive " 1 mile or so " it will die and not restart until after an hour or so. Last night it wouldn't start up at all but yet this morning, it fired right up and has 20 times today but I am afraid to drive it until I know it is correct. Have towed 3 times in 2 days.
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Go to Ford and Buy a CPS from them. The tachometer should ALWAYS move when cranking. Your CPS is not working right. The Black CPS is better BUT The gray one is about 25 to 34 dollars.


In fact i have like 7 or 8 NEW gray ones laying around.
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As of right this moment, it will start up perfectly fine but after a very short drive " 1 mile or so " it will die and not restart until after an hour or so. Last night it wouldn't start up at all but yet this morning, it fired right up and has 20 times today but I am afraid to drive it until I know it is correct. Have towed 3 times in 2 days.

Most likely, this is a IPR issue. Not a CPS. Make sure the tin nut is snug on the the back of the sensor. And that the solenoid part is not moving around.
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Cps was fine, deffenitly needs #3 & #8 injectors which will get replaced this week
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That sounds like the phantom codes you get with the light grey cps from ford. I wouldn't go changing injectors yet.
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