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Old 07-26-2007, 12:43 AM
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twin turbo for 7.3

does any one know any thing about long island diesel performances twin turbo or any body else make one or is it werth it
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Old 07-26-2007, 01:13 AM
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i personally would stay away from lipd
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Black widow diesel has a few options for twins:
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Because of their twins or other reasons?
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i was kidding. i have no experience with them...
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Re: twin turbo for 7.3

They told me their twins would not put out as much CFM as my GT42R. And that it was intended for a virtually stock truck that wanted to get rid of the lag.
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Re: twin turbo for 7.3

I didn't think their twins used a CAC either.

I bought a new H2E from them and it wasn't pretty but after a while it got worked out.
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They told me their twins would not put out as much CFM as my GT42R. And that it was intended for a virtually stock truck that wanted to get rid of the lag.
Unluess the trims are all eFed up, the big one otta flow a little better than that...
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You can get a 42 with a 96lb wheel. That's a pretty good bit of air.
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Re: twin turbo for 7.3

they dont use a cac. 2 turbos with no cooler is no good. The twins on mine are great, best thing i ever did. The kits for BWD should be available by the end of summer.
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And you can't show pics?
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Here's a pic of my setup as of a week or so ago. I plan to drive it on both chargers tomorrow.

The pic gives a good idea of the location of most stuff. Everything is mounted, just no hot side plumbing in that pic.

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good ^^^^^^^^ Lawd!!!!
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Cool, Charlie!

Have you driven it yet?
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Im new i signed up to the forum just for this question I am building a twin turbo 7.3 powerstroke in my 2000 f350 and had a few questions first where is a good supply to get the oil to feed the second turbo? I did see at the back of the turbo pedestal that there are two plugs for the feed and return and was wondering if i taked into that would work? and could i "T" off the hpop or is that way to much pressure for the seals in the turbo and also where could i drain the turbo into besides the oil pan? thanks alot everyone and i love the truck man it looks great
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oil looks to be the best drain. and any plug on the side of the block. they are main galley holes. thats what im using on mine.. look at my compound thread for some more ideas
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charles your tires look worn
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are you talking about the plugs by the exhaust manifolds or the ones next to the intake? also would taping into the hpop or the pedestal work?
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they dont use a cac. 2 turbos with no cooler is no good. The twins on mine are great, best thing i ever did. The kits for BWD should be available by the end of summer.
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well in that case i hope charles got new tires
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are you talking about the plugs by the exhaust manifolds or the ones next to the intake? also would taping into the hpop or the pedestal work?
sorry i ment drilling a hole and mounting a fitting to the oil pan is the best way to drain the oil for the lp turbo.

and there are several square plugs in the side of the block that can be used to supply oil to the turbo. they are main bearing oil gallies.
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alright sweet i'll see what i can come up with also there is a black plastic canister behind the passenger side battery with what looks like two vacume line on it i just moved it over for now but is there some way to bypass that or do you know what it does because its in the way of my turbo and also is there a way to mount a fitting without removing the pan? when i build my twin turbo mustang i had the motor out and welded a fitting on it but dont really want to pull the motor or is there somewhere else i can drain to? thanks so much for your help your a life saver
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I looked for the oil gallie plugs you were talking about on the side of the block but couldnt find any? I only found a coolant plug?
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alright sweet i'll see what i can come up with also there is a black plastic canister behind the passenger side battery with what looks like two vacume line on it i just moved it over for now but is there some way to bypass that or do you know what it does because its in the way of my turbo and also is there a way to mount a fitting without removing the pan? when i build my twin turbo mustang i had the motor out and welded a fitting on it but dont really want to pull the motor or is there somewhere else i can drain to? thanks so much for your help your a life saver
you will have to pull the pan, due to the cutting of the hole and the metal shavings in the oil.. imo.

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I looked for the oil gallie plugs you were talking about on the side of the block but couldnt find any? I only found a coolant plug?
i will post some pictures for you.
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Thsnks alot I am loking forward to your pictures
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beastpowerx10 did you get thoughs pictures?
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no im going right now. got busy yesterday sorry.
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thats fine just let me know
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ok im uploading them now. but i guess i was wrong. the oil plugs are only on the drivers side. sorry man. but thats where im gonna run my supply line to my primary.


thats at the rear of the engine


thats just behind the engine mount on the driver side. sorry for lyin to ya
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ok im uploading them now. but i guess i was wrong. the oil plugs are only on the drivers side. sorry man. but thats where im gonna run my supply line to my primary.


thats at the rear of the engine


thats just behind the engine mount on the driver side. sorry for lyin to ya
No man thats fine really thanks alot this really does help me out tons now I can almost drive my truck lol almost kinda well alot closer but yeah thanks alot now i just need a longer line and im in business Im exited
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what you running for turbos??
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well right now im seting it up with the stock turbo i have on it with a ported ats housing that was on it as my daily driver and to get it running im just using a hx35 turbo from a 5.9 cummins i had i know its was to small but i wanted all the tubing done then i get the big turbo. not real sure what im gonna put on it yet what about you?
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my set up is gonna be on the higher side. 71mm K-31 feeding a 80+mm s400
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yeah this is my daily driver its a 2000 f350 crew cab dually 2wd 6spd and i tow my skidsteer and a ton of other stuff i just wanted to try it because i have anoth 7.3 engine i want to build for a pulling truck as well as a twin turbo cummins chevy swap id love some pictures of your projects looking for more ideas
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yeah this is my daily driver its a 2000 f350 crew cab dually 2wd 6spd and i tow my skidsteer and a ton of other stuff i just wanted to try it because i have anoth 7.3 engine i want to build for a pulling truck as well as a twin turbo cummins chevy swap id love some pictures of your projects looking for more ideas
mines a daily driver as well.

check out the compound picture thread i started. theres some good pics there
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mines a daily driver as well.

check out the compound picture thread i started. theres some good pics there
lol your is a little fater of a daily driver
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sorry faster never really was good at any of the typing,spelling,reading,etc lol but thanks alot for your help also the hx35 is way to small i am creating vacume on a small bost gauge i had on one of my cars and now i think its time to step up to the other turbo i have its a t46 cummins turbo this should be where i need to go. i know im just kinda sticking turbo together but i need my truck driving again and kinda ran out of many right now so am using what i have what do you think about the t46?
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Do you have a compressor map for it?
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Do you have a compressor map for it?
compressor map? like how much cfm is it supposed to be pushing and stuff like that and for what turbo the hx35 or the t46 the hx35 also has over 380,000 miles on it. the main reason i put it on there is because i wanted to make all the tubing and the oil lines and once i got that all done i could slightly modify it for a bigger turbo but now that it works it oils and drains. and i dont have any leaks in the tubes i made im gonna try the t46 which is physically "sorry about the spelling" about twice the size im sure i will get a better result im not too worried about lag because its 6spd and i dont plan on racing just pulling my trailer and daily driving.
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compressor map? like how much cfm is it supposed to be pushing and stuff like that and for what turbo the hx35 or the t46 the hx35 also has over 380,000 miles on it. the main reason i put it on there is because i wanted to make all the tubing and the oil lines and once i got that all done i could slightly modify it for a bigger turbo but now that it works it oils and drains. and i dont have any leaks in the tubes i made im gonna try the t46 which is physically "sorry about the spelling" about twice the size im sure i will get a better result im not too worried about lag because its 6spd and i dont plan on racing just pulling my trailer and daily driving.
a compressor map shows at what boost pressure and shaft speed the turbo is most efficient
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a compressor map shows at what boost pressure and shaft speed the turbo is most efficient
well then no i dont know that... but that would help thank you glasseater I really apreciate it
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well then no i dont know that... but that would help thank you glasseater I really apreciate it
In absence of a compressor map, merely listing the inducer diameter for each stage will quickly let you know if you're even in the ballpark.

If what you're working with is even remotely similar in size to an HX35, then it's way, way, way too small for anything on a 7.3L powerstroke.
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In absence of a compressor map, merely listing the inducer diameter for each stage will quickly let you know if you're even in the ballpark.

If what you're working with is even remotely similar in size to an HX35, then it's way, way, way too small for anything on a 7.3L powerstroke.
well the t46 i definatly what i call a huge turbo and if your saying the hx35 for th lp turbo is WAY too small then i think im in the right direction i dont know the size but the t46 measures 5.5" intake and 5" exhaust housings with the t6 flange and the snale of the compressor is about 12-14" and is almost 14" long I wish i knew the mm sizes do you think i will be able to run with it if i can fit in under the hood I relocated the passenger side battery and its going there. thanks alot man this really helps
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well the t46 i definatly what i call a huge turbo and if your saying the hx35 for th lp turbo is WAY too small then i think im in the right direction i dont know the size but the t46 measures 5.5" intake and 5" exhaust housings with the t6 flange and the snale of the compressor is about 12-14" and is almost 14" long I wish i knew the mm sizes do you think i will be able to run with it if i can fit in under the hood I relocated the passenger side battery and its going there. thanks alot man this really helps
that sounds really big
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that sounds really big
lol thats what I was thinking but I dont really think it would hurt besides turbo lag
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well the t46 i definatly what i call a huge turbo and if your saying the hx35 for th lp turbo is WAY too small then i think im in the right direction i dont know the size but the t46 measures 5.5" intake and 5" exhaust housings with the t6 flange and the snale of the compressor is about 12-14" and is almost 14" long I wish i knew the mm sizes do you think i will be able to run with it if i can fit in under the hood I relocated the passenger side battery and its going there. thanks alot man this really helps
Isn't the T46 a turbo off of an 855 Cummins? If its the turbo I think it is, its only like a 3.0 inducer, don't remember the turbine.....
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Isn't the T46 a turbo off of an 855 Cummins? If its the turbo I think it is, its only like a 3.0 inducer, don't remember the turbine.....
yeah i think it is yeah 3 inch is about right but the housing is 5" intake and the exhaust is 5" turbine wheel or about that within a half inch
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so its 70mmish right??
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so its 70mmish right??
I guess that would be right now it almost seems small?
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Probably closer to 76mm, but still small.
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well the t46 i definatly what i call a huge turbo and if your saying the hx35 for th lp turbo is WAY too small then i think im in the right direction i dont know the size but the t46 measures 5.5" intake and 5" exhaust housings with the t6 flange and the snale of the compressor is about 12-14" and is almost 14" long I wish i knew the mm sizes do you think i will be able to run with it if i can fit in under the hood I relocated the passenger side battery and its going there. thanks alot man this really helps
Well, since my first stage has a 6" inlet, I wouldn't worry about overdoing it with the one you've got. I think 90+mm is probably a good place to be on the first stage. You need to measure the inlet right at the wheel. That will be your inducer size for all intents and purposes. Sometimes compressor housings will have a large anti-surge casting and sometimes not. So measuring the ID right at the wheel is a good place to start.

My first stage compressor inlet is just under 3.5 inches at that point.
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Well, since my first stage has a 6" inlet, I wouldn't worry about overdoing it with the one you've got. I think 90+mm is probably a good place to be on the first stage. You need to measure the inlet right at the wheel. That will be your inducer size for all intents and purposes. Sometimes compressor housings will have a large anti-surge casting and sometimes not. So measuring the ID right at the wheel is a good place to start.

My first stage compressor inlet is just under 3.5 inches at that point.
well once again I cant use what is laying around i guess so you guys are saying i need around a 90mm+ LP turbo?
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well once again I cant use what is laying around i guess so you guys are saying i need around a 90mm+ LP turbo?
Depends on the usage. For a performance oriented application yes. For DD/tow something smaller would work better.

Mine's an 88.

Something this size should be a good starting point:

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Depends on the usage. For a performance oriented application yes. For DD/tow something smaller would work better.

Mine's an 88.
so do you think that t46 i have would work until i have enough cash for say an 80 or so? or bigger or even do you think it would be a pretty good towing set? i read some of your posts and I say your vary knowledgable sorry about spelling lol and i thank you and everyone for the great help and sorry if im kinda taking over the thread
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so do you think that t46 i have would work until i have enough cash for say an 80 or so? or bigger or even do you think it would be a pretty good towing set? i read some of your posts and I say your vary knowledgable sorry about spelling lol and i thank you and everyone for the great help and sorry if im kinda taking over the thread
I wouldn't ever go smaller than the 88 on mine. It will make way, way more boost down low than you should ever subject an engine to anyway.

I know it will produce over 60psi below 2000rpm without setting it up to try and make boost down low, and with the largest turbine housing offered (1.39 A/R)
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I wouldn't ever go smaller than the 88 on mine. It will make way, way more boost down low than you should ever subject an engine to anyway.

I know it will produce over 60psi below 2000rpm without setting it up to try and make boost down low, and with the largest turbine housing offered (1.39 A/R)
so are you saying the turbo i have will work? and how much boost do you think it might make? id say if i can make 30-40psi with the t46 then thats plenty for me for now
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so are you saying the turbo i have will work? and how much boost do you think it might make? id say if i can make 30-40psi with the t46 then thats plenty for me for now
30 to 40psi.......?????




You building a street truck or an open class puller? If your second stage was only running 20lbs and the first stage hit 40, you'd be making 114lbs of boost.
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You building a street truck or an open class puller? If your second stage was only running 20lbs and the first stage hit 40, you'd be making 114lbs of boost.
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lol no i ment a total of 30-40 im making about 30 with the single and some other stuff so i figure is i can gain 10-20 psi with a second turbo so making my total boost of around 30psi or 40psi I would be happy for now and drive the truck that way for sometime until the bigger setup

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How does that math work out?
20lbs is a pressure ratio of 2.36. 40lbs is a PR of 3.72.

2.36 times 3.72 (compounding) = 8.78.

A PR of 8.78 = 114.3lbs of boost.
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lol no i ment a total of 30-40 im making about 30 with the single and some other stuff so i figure is i can gain 10-20 psi with a second turbo so making my total boost of around 30psi or 40psi I would be happy for now and drive the truck that way for sometime until the bigger setup
Well, I had hoped to run only one wastegate on mine when I first built it, but I quickly realized I couldn't keep the 60lb boost gauge off the pin with the two largest housings made for the turbos and with the modified 44mm wastegate fully opened.

The only problem you'll have when it comes to a boost when running a compound setup is how to keep from making too much.
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Well, I had hoped to run only one wastegate on mine when I first built it, but I quickly realized I couldn't keep the 60lb boost gauge off the pin with the two largest housings made for the turbos and with the modified 44mm wastegate fully opened.

The only problem you'll have when it comes to a boost when running a compound setup is how to keep from making too much.
so do you think i could get about 40lbs total with my setup?
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Probably closer to 76mm, but still small.
oops i thought he meant 5" inducer lol i was like "that's huge!"
76mm is pretty small
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oops i thought he meant 5" inducer lol i was like "that's huge!"
76mm is pretty small
76mm = 2.992117 in.
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with a tape measure its 3.5" give or take? so that would be like almost 80mm wouldnt it?
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3.5" is 88.9mm thats not too bad but give or take so its like 80 something right
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20lbs is a pressure ratio of 2.36. 40lbs is a PR of 3.72.

2.36 times 3.72 (compounding) = 8.78.

A PR of 8.78 = 114.3lbs of boost.
lol one year ago today in a pm charles explained all this pressure ratio stuff to me.
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must be a jason thing. guess i walked into that. actually icould not remember how to get pressure ratios and went back through my pm's and found it and just thought it was funny. to late for excuses now though huh. but i must say i was on that one lol.
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