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Schaeffers Oil

Hey guys I am looking into switching from Amsoil engine oil to schaeffers. Does anybody have any input if it is any good? All I know is that schaeffers is about 3-4 bucks cheaper a gallon compared to Amsoil. Thanks for any input.

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Talk to Sapps. He runs it in his trucks and his OTR Volvo. He loves the stuff
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lukecline and whitebuffalo both run it and sell it. I'll be running for the first time in October.
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I have a rep that I can get it from, just wondering if it is better or equivalent to Amsoil.
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Got it in both of mine and love it. It's all I'll ever run.

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What weights are you running? I heard they have a 10w30????
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I've got the 7000 15w-40 synth blend in my 7.3, and the 9000 5w-40 full synth in my 6.0. I went with the 9000 for my 6.0 because it's rode hard and put up wet, and we all know they need all the help they can get just to make it out of the driveway

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what makes it better then amsoil? have any of you ran amsoil and schaffers both? My truck loves amsoil
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AMSOIL is all ile use!
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All I do know is that Amsoil is very expensive compared to Schaeffers. And we have a commercial account set up. If we spend anything over $350 shipping is free. We just spent $150 to get a 30 gallon drum shipped from Amsoil that the warehouse was in Chicago.
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I got turned on to Schaffers last fall('07) when Jody f/ DP was out here in CO. Switched over then and haven't looked back. We order up $400 worth at a time for free direct shipping a few cases of 9000, couple cases 139 soy fuel additive.
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I switched over to Schaeffers 9000 5w40 last oil change. I will be sending a sample to the lab in about a month to see how it's doing. I installed a huge Gulf Coast bypass filter at the same time. 4000 miles later the oil still looks like new.
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All I do know is that Amsoil is very expensive compared to Schaeffers. And we have a commercial account set up. If we spend anything over $350 shipping is free. We just spent $150 to get a 30 gallon drum shipped from Amsoil that the warehouse was in Chicago.
Thats the one thing I hate about Amsoil is there shipping. They dont tell you what the shipping charge is when you order it for one. I got charged 40 bucks for them to ship 15 quarts of oil and a filter from Superior to La Crosse WI. I couldve drove there and back and picked it up for that
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what makes it better then amsoil? have any of you ran amsoil and schaffers both? My truck loves amsoil
This is all hearsay from me, but from what I've heard: Schaeffer's may have more molybdenum than the others. I also hear their stock may be better or more refined.

But I also read a Cummins service bulletin about moly causing some sort of premature part problems.

I've read that apparently moly sticks to metal, giving it better compression, hence the "lubrication" or better sound or better oil analysis. But I've been curious to what happens to moly once it has been worn out. It might perform real well for the short term, but what happens in the long term? I wonder if it might resemble the teflon pan. Works great when new. Turns to worthless crud after some good use. My seasoned cast iron pans work better than the teflon pans.

If you are going to use Amsoil in a non-USLD required truck, and run the truck in a 15w climate, use their marine diesel oil (AME). It is better than their HDD/DEO because of the higher TBN.

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All I do know is that Amsoil is very expensive compared to Schaeffers. And we have a commercial account set up. If we spend anything over $350 shipping is free. We just spent $150 to get a 30 gallon drum shipped from Amsoil that the warehouse was in Chicago.
you realize its a pita to ship oil, i tried shipping a inj pump in a rotella box, and couldnt get it shipped no where, till i switched out boxes or wanted to pay hazodous fees!
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I can purchase Amsoil at my local GI Joe's, Napa, and CarQuest. My local dealer even does free local delivery.
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you realize its a pita to ship oil, i tried shipping a inj pump in a rotella box, and couldnt get it shipped no where, till i switched out boxes or wanted to pay hazodous fees!
Ya I know but if I get Schaeffers and spend anything over 350 I get free shipping to my house. Can Amsoil say that?? Also if I buy a 55 gallon drum, I get 3 oil analysis kits, some synthetic grease, and free shipping. If its as good or better than amsoil then why buy name??
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i just swiched to schaeffers yesterday, i bought a 6 gallon case from a local oil company. my mom has been running it in her duramax's since 04 and it has worked great.
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what makes it better then amsoil? have any of you ran amsoil and schaffers both? My truck loves amsoil
Both companies use good base oils, but from what I have seen Schaeffers uses a better add-pac.

Schaeffers does contain a lot more moly than many other oils, which is a very good thing. Delo is another oil that contains quite a bit of moly. That Cummins TSB is true, but only about one particular type of moly that is not used by any major oil blending operations in the US at this point in time.
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Ok did I just price this right? $12 a quart = $192 for 4 gallons of this stuff?
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Ok did I just price this right? $12 a quart = $192 for 4 gallons of this stuff?
Huh??? I just priced a 5 gallon pale and it was $87 for 5 gallon.
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I went and looked for a price for the stuff since its not sold local and found $12 a quart on the net. The site didnt list any other prices.
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Call a dealer.
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Bean sells it, it's where I get mine.

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I went and looked for a price for the stuff since its not sold local and found $12 a quart on the net. The site didnt list any other prices.
I just talked to a dealer and thats what he told me.
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For which oil?
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i just paid $107 for 6 gallons of schaeffers from a local dealer
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For which oil?
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PM JTHarvey on this site. He sells it. Good guy to deal with. IIRC my cost was a little more than half that.. I bought a 6 gal. case so that is a calculated cost/qt.
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For 7000 you should not be paying 12 bucks a quart. I think the last drum I bought was half that.
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What makes Schaeffers better than something like Rottella?
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Time for me to start ordering schaeffers again

syn Rotalla just went up to $20 a gallon at my Walmart
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I think my truck is a tad bit less snappy on the Schaeffer's than on the Rotella. My only explanation is that injectors will flow less on the bench when the oil isn't all the way up to temp yet (to viscous or "thick"). So is it possible that if the oil retains its weight better (15w 40 vs a 5w 40) that it might make less horsepower? I like the fact that it makes my seals happier, and seems to control aeration/foaming better, but I wonder about potential flow losses due to heavier weight.

I will likely run 9000 next time and see. Or do like I did this time and a gallon in with the rotella.

Am I crazy, or does that make any sense?
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I just e-mailed Shell about Rotella 5w 40 synthetic. I asked them what group the Rotella 5w 40 synthetic fell under and their response was "information on the formulation of our product is considered to be proprietary." Some companies are proud of their oils and bragg about what group of synthetic oils their oils fall in. I wonder why Shell doesn't want me to know what group their synthetic falls under. Think maybe it's not truly a synthetic? All I know is that if they don't want me to know that maybe I should use a different /better brand.
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Rotella synthetic is a group 3 hydro cracked oil, not what some consider a true synthetic oil.
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All you guys running Schaeffers, how many miles have you been using the oil in your truck and what kind of problems or lack of have you had with your truck while using it? Did your injectors fail, turbo problems, egr problems? How about milage, did it go up or down while using it? Did anybody try it and then go back to some thing else, if you did why? Just trying to stir the pot and see what comes up. It doesn't seem like very many people are running it, and I haven't seen many comments on it good or bad. As a matter of fact I don't think I've seen any bad comments at all. Looking for all the info I can get.
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My truck runs smoother, yet feels almost sluggish as well. It definitely cut down on some weepy oil leaks I had. Lube oil pressure was higher across the board.

I think I might run the 9000 next time because it's a bit thinner. I'm afraid I'm giving up performance with the thicker 7000. It's noticeably less snappy.

I still don't have any issues with the Rotella "synthetic" although it does cause things to leak more than the Schaeffers. Although that's probably just because my truck's a pile.

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My truck runs smoother, yet feels almost sluggish as well. It definitely cut down on some weepy oil leaks I had. Lube oil pressure was higher across the board.

I think I might run the 9000 next time because it's a bit thinner. I'm afraid I'm giving up performance with the thicker 7000. It's noticeably less snappy.

I still don't have any issues with the Rotella "synthetic" although it does cause things to leak more than the Schaeffers. Although that's probably just because my truck's a pile.

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Did you notice any difference in milage?
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I don't do milage.

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Charles, the 9000 will feel better in the responsive category. I found the viscosity broke down too quick with my dual HPOP's.
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If I switched over and began having a viscosity issue I would see it on my lube oil pressure gauge wouldn't I?

I think I may keep doing the little blend I did last time. One gallon of Schaeffers mixed in with the rest of the Rotella.
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I have been using Schaeffers and thats the only oil i'm running and it hasnt given me any problems
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Charles, the 9000 will feel better in the responsive category. I found the viscosity broke down too quick with my dual HPOP's.
Dual HPOP. What's to quickly? Miles, hours,...... How many? Dual HPOP. Is that some sort of racing setup or something? Talk to me Blowby
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HPOP = High Pressure Oil Pump. It feeds oil to the injectors.

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HPOP = High Pressure Oil Pump. It feeds oil to the injectors.

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I'm with you on that, but two of them. I thought we only had one of these oil shredding beasts on the 6.0. Am I missing something.
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I have been using Schaeffers and thats the only oil i'm running and it hasnt given me any problems
How many miles on you truck now. No injector problems, oil leaks, turbo problems, etc. huh. That's good. How often do you change your oil?
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I'm with you on that, but two of them. I thought we only had one of these oil shredding beasts on the 6.0. Am I missing something.
Its on a 7.3..
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has anyone took an oil sample, then switched to Schaeffers and then did another sample to see the difference? I'm running Rotella T and really thinking about Schaeffers
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Dual HPOP. What's to quickly? Miles, hours,...... How many? Dual HPOP. Is that some sort of racing setup or something? Talk to me Blowby
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Its on a 7.3..
The 7.3 has 2 HPOP? I thought it only had one, actually I didn't know it had a HPOP. Now I'm really confused but .
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The 7.3 has 2 HPOP? I thought it only had one, actually I didn't know it had a HPOP. Now I'm really confused but .
Stock only has one, but you can run two HPOP (Big Oil) a few vendors have kits etc to supply more high pressure oil to the injectors. Doing so breaks the oil down quicker then one HPOP...
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What is the reason/purpose for running two HPOP. Would the average person with a stock truck have a reason to want 2 HPOP?
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no the average joe would have no reason to run two HPOP's. If you were running aftermaket injectors and diferent tuning/chip you would want the two HPOP's to supply enough oil to run the injectors properly.
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no the average joe would have no reason to run two HPOP's. If you were running aftermaket injectors and diferent tuning/chip you would want the two HPOP's to supply enough oil to run the injectors properly.
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So, if the 9000 does not work good for you what do you use?
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so what will give you better throttle responds? the 9000 or 7000? I'm going to switch to Schaeffers cause it seems to be the best oil money can buy. I'm parking my truck for the winter, should i change the oil now, or in the spring? I'm due for an oil change though.
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the 9000 will only help with cold starts imo.
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F350: The throttle response question is a toss up.. Luke is right though--> the 9000 will pump faster during the winter months, which is very vital since almost all engine wear happens at startup. Since your due for an oil change, and you have the extra cash. Go ahead and switch.
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The 7000 is less responsive than the Rotella. I have witnessed it twice now before I mentioned it just in case I was being paranoid.

If you watch injector flow rates on the bench vs oil viscosity (temperature) you will see dramatic flow rate changes.

I don't doubt the thicker weight is causing what I feel. If I watch my lube oil pressure gauge it agrees with me that the oil is thicker as well. Higher pressure across the board with the 7000 vs the Rotella 5w 40.

I think the 9000 would be a better choice from a performance standpoint.
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My UOA showed that at 5k miles the HPOP on my 05 6.0 had sheared the 9000 down to a 30 weight. I think you will see that on pretty much any oil we use. The HPOP's are hard on oil.
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I just got an OA back for my obs. i sent the sample in after 5k miels and it said to increase interval to 7800 miles. ive never been able to run oil that long before. I run the 7000 15w-40
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I think my truck is a tad bit less snappy on the Schaeffer's than on the Rotella. My only explanation is that injectors will flow less on the bench when the oil isn't all the way up to temp yet (to viscous or "thick"). So is it possible that if the oil retains its weight better (15w 40 vs a 5w 40) that it might make less horsepower? I like the fact that it makes my seals happier, and seems to control aeration/foaming better, but I wonder about potential flow losses due to heavier weight.

I will likely run 9000 next time and see. Or do like I did this time and a gallon in with the rotella.

Am I crazy, or does that make any sense?
Have you tried the 10w-30 7000? The oil side of the HEUI's is going to be faster with less viscous oil.
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I haven't been online much lately but I have posted my UOA reports before here in the Fluids Discussion Forum. Here is my latest. I've been running Schaeffer's for 80,000+ miles. Currently 130,000 on the truck, 80,000 with the Van Turbo. Getting ready to send in another sample. Usually run 25-30K a year with about 5K a summer pulling our 31' 5th wheel (10,000 lbs after all the crap is loaded). I prefer the 7000 15W-40, it has a better additive package and has more Antimony (high pressure additive) than the 9000 5W-40. The 7000 15W-40 seems not to shear as quickly compared to the 9000 5W-40 in the 6.0L's and in 7.3L's with dual HPOP's or running higher ICP programs - since it has less polymers than the 9000. But I can understand why Charles would prefer the 9000 in his application.



I've run Rotella 15W-40, Delo 400 15W-40 and Amsoil's HD Marine Diesel oil in my 7.3L. Had my best UOA results with Schaeffer's & Delo 400. Many have had good UOA results with Amsoil but why pay almost twice as much when you can get the same or better results with a different oil?

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