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#1 ·
I have read alot of bashing about BWD and was wondering if someone could find the balls to post the reasons for this. It seems that the ones doing it dance around there reasons and it sounds like a personal conflict. What gives !!
 
#2 ·
Brian has always been a dick toward me in every possible way whenever possible. Anytime I were to mention something I was working on he would start with all the bs. Whether it was injectors, turbochargers, engine management, didn't matter.

I can't tell you how many times he asked me to calculate something out for him only to tell me later that my calculations were not even close.... :rolleyes:

More like, get me to get you in the ballpark and then figure out how to cut and run with it.

And just little bs too. Like posting graphs of runs where numbers do NOT add up. Talking out your ass 24-7 to people that actually know how things work and actually getting upset when they call you on it. Just being a prick in general.


Now with that having been said, I don't recall ever feeling like I was "bashing" them when I wrote anything. More like stating an opinion on an event. If you are referring to Matt's deal, then the point of my post was that he was the man taking the check. He was the man running the shop, and he was the man taking the credit for anything positive. That means it's his responsibility to ensure things are up to snuff before they go out.

To put another perspective on this, imagine if that setup had done all kinds of craziness, pulling ridiculous power on tiny fuel with ice cubes falling out the tailpipe and flawless operation. Do you think that the two fabricators would have been giving high fives by everyone? Or do you think Bunting would have stepped right up to explain how he was the one behind all of it?

It's just retarded that when something turns out a little bit off, the damn labor that put it together under his command gets the blame because they are no longer there. When you can bet your ass that if that setup had really been the God's gift to turbocharging that it was originally made out to be, that Bunting would have taken ALL the credit, and then some.

Since you're drinking the water over there too now, I know that won't put a dent in your "thinking" at the moment.

But there's why I have no sympathy for BWD.
 
#3 ·
I don't think I'm one to do much bashing and have tried to stay out of this. Either you haven't been around for long or you've not paid any attention. When Brian was getting started and Spearco introduced their intercoolers he cut me a great deal on one to help promote them and BWD. Everything was good until I got my truck figured out and started doing well. He came on another site bashing me for bragging on finishing well with DHRA. That didn't go over well when he's supposed to be my sponsor. I guess I wasn't stroking his ego.
 
#5 ·
True story. And I always wonder about this when I see people bringing their trucks to Bunting or asking him for advice. The year I went to TruckFest in Colorado, '06 I believe. We're at the sled pulls. This is back when Bunting and Lott were still pretty amicable. Bunting calls me over to his truck so I go over there. he's squatting in the bed (and squatting the bed :hehe: ). He's looking at his nitrous bottle. Called Lott over there because he couldn't figure out how to operate his nitrous bottle when his remote opener went out. :poke:

Kevin seems like a good guy though. I'm sure he'll take car of ya.
 
#6 ·
BWD is like Banks. they've resorted to brainwashing people, and its obvious by the way there customers act. even though we know BB was wrong for what he did, people will continue to stand up for him. you ask for someone with balls to state there reasons for "bashing" BWD, well why dont you grow some balls and stand up for what is right???
 
#15 ·
This post gets the most worthless award. All others much appreciated. Even though BB rubbed a few the wrong way i hate to see Kevin (BWD) take the heat because of it. Personally i have had nothing but great service from both so far. My new build is in progress and i promise to post the good and the bad but i would bet that this thing will ROCK when there done. :ford:
 
#7 ·
I can tell you that thanks to their customer service or lack there of, my truck is still not back together. I purchased a girdle from them the first part of March and then waited and waited until it finally showed up the last part of April.

When i opened it up i about fell over at the ####ty machine work or lack there of. It was never milled , it had slag all over it and the holes for the studs looked like they were cut out with a torch.

I called and they sent another one to me, this time the edges were milled but the spacers were welded on. When i laid a straight edge acrossed it it was warped like you could not beleive. I was beyond pissed at this point. These were nothing more than overpriced paper weights.

I called them and said i wanted my money back which they said they would do. Well i waited a week or so and still no check, so i called and was told one would be sent out and it was already in the computer. This time a couple of week's go by and still no check so i started calling and low and behold no answer or messages returned.

I finally got ahold of Kevin and he thought i had received my check so he said he would have Brian mail me one. I finally received a check about 3 week's ago and have started back up on the build.

With that being said i would not purchase another thing from them.
 
#8 ·
i think there are a lot of touchy feelings brought on with the departure of employees. i believe none of this stuff would have ever come out had the employees not been ridiculed publically and privately. i think in the grand scheme of things, if everyone would just move on, it would blow over, and all parties could resume normal lives and go on doing what it is they do. mad matt basically opened a flodgate with a backhanded post, and that brought feelings out that woulod have otherwise been kept completely private. that being said, having other people do your dirty work is weak.
 
#11 ·
I have no hard feelings with Brian. What he does or posts on the net to pump himself up seems to always negatively reflect on others. Don't put others down to make yourself look good. I think most would welcome him back if he changes his holier than tho attitude.
 
#13 ·
After yesterdays events, after all the crap hes said about me, and how badly hes ruined mine and dj's life in the last year. That lack of caring for anything but himself. there will never be any welcome from us. I could have got along with him just fine up until recent events, That was completely ruined as of yesterday morning.
 
#14 ·
I have read alot of bashing about BWD and was wondering if someone could find the balls to post the reasons for this. It seems that the ones doing it dance around there reasons and it sounds like a personal conflict. What gives !!
i think there are a lot of touchy feelings brought on with the departure of employees. i believe none of this stuff would have ever come out had the employees not been ridiculed publically and privately. i think in the grand scheme of things, if everyone would just move on, it would blow over, and all parties could resume normal lives and go on doing what it is they do. mad matt basically opened a flodgate with a backhanded post, and that brought feelings out that woulod have otherwise been kept completely private. that being said, having other people do your dirty work is weak.
You would have thought that after the other post that Matt made, that one would think twice about making a post like this.

But since you asked:doh:

Go back a couple of years when DI was at the top of their game and BB pimped them like no other, life was grand everybody was happy and we all got along for the most part. Then BB decides he wanted to be a Diesel Performance Specialist and opens up BWD with my blessing and has a lot of my parts on his website still pimping DI.
Now I have to admit I am a pretty nice person and pretty gullible it seems as I never saw coming what BB had planned.
Talk about a major:doh:
Next thing you know everything DI sold was a POS and everything BWD sold was Gods gift to the Power Stroke world.
I thought well thats still OK just more competition forcing DI to get back on their toes.
BB is a great salesman and could probably sell ice to the Eskimos, The USA/TN turbo is a prime example, so much that I actually tried one, another :doh:
What I did not expect from BB is the underhanded behind the scenes backstabbing that I received.
Within a few months some loyal DI customers were led to bash DI and some of it's products.
Talk about putting a knot in your stomach, you work hard treat people right and you get a kick in the nuts for your efforts , all because of one scheming person.
Now fast forward to the last 3 months and of the many people on this board and other forums, BB's army of followers has been reduced to it seems like 3 or 4 of you while the others found out the truth the hard way just like I did.

Now before you say well your just a competitor, ask yourself why there were so many people in the other thread that are just plain members that have such a dislike for BB.

I'm not such an angel that at different times in the last 8 years that I have been doing this as a business that I have not rubbed a few people (customers and other vendors )the wrong way to such a point that they had a really big dislike for me, but I can pretty much pickup the phone right now and call up and do business with just about every vendor on this site with no ill feelings one way or the other.

I don't believe BB can do that.

I left a lot out as it really has no business being said on an open forum but this should at least give you some clue as to the answer to your question, hopefully for your sake you get treated fairly and not end up like some of the other poor unfortunate souls that were not so lucky.

and please don't take this as a bash towards BWD or BB, I really do wish BB and BWD pickup and get things straitened out and get back out on the track whether it be sled pulling or drag racing as he is a lot of fun to be around.
BB if you are reading this maybe you should take a step back and review your business tactics.
I can't speak for others but I'm sure that if you work hard at it that some of us can be willing to forgive and forget.

The choice is yours and yours alone.
 
#44 ·
I’m not one to get into all the chit sling drama on the net, those of you that know me can attest to the kinda of person that I am, but Mr. Kevin is not so innocent, he has done his share of bashing and stabbing, when he flat out told me things about a certain vendor on here, how they couldn’t keep a motor together, how they patched their motor’s and then ask top-dollar for them and how they had ruined a brand new motor for a well known member on here.
This was all stated back when I was getting quotes for my motor build. After talking with him and BB I felt that I made the right choice going with the company bellow.
 
#18 ·
For better or for worse, I will weigh in on this I guess...

First of all, I will start by saying I have never had a problem with Brian, and especially not with Kevin. Even Bunting, who can rub people the wrong way (and does) helped me when I asked the stupidest questions on the planet. Kevin has been a huge help, and when Buddy was there he was as well. I asked all three of them retarded questions, and all three of them helped.

David,
I do not know what has gone on behind the scenes with you two. It's not my business, and I don't really care to know. I use this site for information, and I use the sponsors to get parts. Period. I really don't have to swing one way or the other.
That said, my opinion of you is high. I've never had a real problem with you, especially since I bought a couple (but very nice) fittings from you and we talked for an hour on the phone. I appreciate that. I know in the past I have ribbed people and I'm sure it was taken the wrong way... that is the curse of the internet and the curse of not being perfect.

This reminds me of Swamps, who a lot of people have bashed (including myself) especially when a truck went up in flames. Does that mean they suck at everything? No. They have a lot of happy customers and strong trucks, and from what I understand, have brought a lot to the scene. Not to mention how helpful Charles, one of their good customers from what I understand, has been to me in the past and recently.

I think it sucks all of this has gone down. I'm not going to tell someone how to run their business. I've heard Brian's side and I've heard some of the other side on here. That's why I stopped in Matt's thread. How many of all of these posters have taken the time to listen to both? If I didn't before, you can bet your ass I am now. I think the people who don't actually SPEAK to the involved parties should shut up and stay out of it... As a matter of fact I think it should be dropped from a public forum and left to the involved parties. Benefit at the cost of another's mistakes is not something that needs to be public - that goes for anyone.

I am happy with what I've received so far. I guess I'll find out how it goes next time I order parts.
 
#19 ·
Well according to BB........Charles is a "Nerd that's never been laid" & I'm some "Dumbass with a $500 truck"

I just don't get how people say BB is going to build their truck.....never his crew is going to build it while he hopped on here & trashed talked everyone in sight.
 
#29 ·
Well according to BB........Charles is a "Nerd that's never been laid" & I'm some "Dumbass with a $500 truck"
Well at least the bold part is correct!:poke::D

:Brian has always been good to me and I'm in no ways a big time customer- he has even called to check in to make sure everything was good.

:Kevin has also been good to deal with and parts ordered have arrived qiuckly.

: I don't know everything that has happened and it is really none of my business.

But when someone leaves a company- there is usually always some hard/bad feelings (even if it is on good terms)

I have had family leave my company, ones that I took under my wing, helped SO much with advice, money, training....... and the leave was on good terms, but I'm still/was 'alittle' bitter:confused:- when some one leaves a company is changed some, whether one admits it or not.


My best goes out to everyone-
Joel
 
#20 ·
I will say i do not nor have i had a problem with Kevin. He has always been more than nice to me.
 
#25 ·
Brian knows Why I chose not to do business with him. A few others know as well. The long and short of it a persons business practices follow along the same lines as their personal conduct. Treat folks well in day to day life, folks treat you well and have good things to say. Treat people like dirt, tell them their idiots, and show them a complete lack of respect in daily life and that to will translate to your business. I have never done business with BB or BWD. I was about to when Brian changed my mind for me. I surround myself with good people. People who I trust and believe in. People who show me respect, and people that I want to earn their respect. I have only been around Brian a few times. Every time he has given me no other impression except a person who deems himself better than you, and shows you no respect for being a human being much less a customer. You are wrong, he is right. I have seen the way he treats his peers, and know the way he treats his customers. I have no pity for Brian. He has crapped on his customers, and he has and continues to crap on those that were loyal to him when no others were. I work too damned hard.....(ok, I work) for my money to waste time with someone who has proven his true character, both in the way he handles his personal issues, and his business issues.

And yes, a little of it is Personal. This industry is far to small for it not to get personal when one acts the way Brian does.
 
#27 ·
I have never spent a dime there and never will. just personal preference. I deal with vendors who take care of the customers.

Anyway, shouldnt this thread be in General Discussion????
 
#31 ·
Karma Sutra..............hell yeah.:D
 
#32 ·
I think Buddy appreciates all the training BB gave him..after all BB is a Mechanic/Fabricator.:pointlaugh:

I think leave is a little too soft a term to use..I think Buddy escaped!!
 
#33 ·
personally you read these forums and you see who is being bashed and who has been screwed over, from certain vendors, to certain people, myself when i first got hard and havy in this everyone said DI and BWD, i tell you io will never spend a dime atBWD, all becus we work hard for our mony and who ants to be screwed out of it. if its on the web and peole are willing to expose their frustration about it, theres prollysome truth behind it, i dont know either guy at BWD but i do knowwo the sponsors are who hav went outof there way to help me out nd ty to teach me, and when it came down to sponsoring events these vendors also know who hey are, they stepped up and for the love of what we all do here at PSN they exceeded!!!!!
 
#34 ·
FWIW, I typically don't get into this BS, I usually sit back and read. I've seen many a wise people in my lifetime and a bunch of idiots. Not too many of the wise people were big talkers, mostly listeners. Not until hearing both sides and giving careful consideration to who said what and why, did they give thier .02. I've done business with a number of vendors on this site DI, BWD, ITP, John Wood, DP-Tuner and Terminator Oil. Not once did any of them ever give me a reason to get on a FORUM to bash someone, not to mention cause detriment to what pays their rent and puts food on their families table. Try to get the service and support that these guys provide from your local dealership, trust me you won't. I'd be real careful what you type here, our 7.3 family is not really growing by leaps and bounds.
 
#38 ·
FWIW, I typically don't get into this BS, I usually sit back and read. I've seen many a wise people in my lifetime and a bunch of idiots. Not too many of the wise people were big talkers, mostly listeners. Not until hearing both sides and giving careful consideration to who said what and why, did they give thier .02. I've done business with a number of vendors on this site DI, BWD, ITP, John Wood, DP-Tuner and Terminator Oil. Not once did any of them ever give me a reason to get on a FORUM to bash someone, not to mention cause detriment to what pays their rent and puts food on their families table. Try to get the service and support that these guys provide from your local dealership, trust me you won't. I'd be real careful what you type here, our 7.3 family is not really growing by leaps and bounds.
Excellent post Donald. Very well said.
 
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